Big Blue Huddle

After hearing about the 24 stunt Wink pulled on Sunday, I've moved toward Daboll's side a bit more in this dispute.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 08, 2024, 08:30:08 PMLook around the NFL there is maybe 3 elite olines in the NFL. The Rest are either ok or hot garbage, and the biggest difference is whether they have a QB or not.

I think PFF Or someone did an analysis.  To roughly combine their findings with your categories, there are actually 4 categories of OLs in the NFL: Elite, Ok, Hot Garbage, and the Giants. The Giants were far below hot garbage.

Quote from: coggs on January 08, 2024, 07:28:06 PMDisagree.  To me, it shows he is willing to cut bait on guys he hired when it is not working.

Then just cut bait instead of this Machiavellian rigamarole.

Also Joe Judge cut bait on Colombo after a half season.

With the way Daboll is teetering, no. Let him show some improvement with the roster we've got. It would be bad if we drafted a QB and then have to fire Daboll and end up dictating the direction of the team based on a QB who could be a dud (like Daniel Jones).

We need to get the coach, QB, and GM on the same schedule so they're working together.

Quote from: kartanoman on January 08, 2024, 05:09:13 PMBuddy Ryan moved onto the Iggles in 1986 as their head coach. Former Bears' players of the day continue to lament that  his leaving destroyed a defensive dynasty that would have yielded three, perhaps, four, consecutive Super Bowl championships.

To be sure, Wink moving on will not have that kind of impact with the current Football Giants.

Come home, AP, come home!

Peace!

I remember someone did an analysis one time that showed that the '85 Bears were the beneficiaries of an unusually weak league with a high number of injuries - which is why they ended up a 1 and done "dynasty" in the end.

I'm not a huge fan of Martindale's defense (I think the league has figured him out, that's why Baltimore moved on), but at the same time, this much turnover on the coaching roster makes me wonder if we shouldn't consider just firing Daboll after all.

I'm almost certain we will win because I believe the Eagles (or at least Sirianni) are actually petty enough to want to move the Giants down in the draft order. Plus they'll want to rest for the playoffs.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 04, 2024, 07:26:36 PMI have a feeling Vrabel lands on the Pats. Tons of rumors about that.

Keep hearing rumors about Belichick to the Commanders.

That team needs a fresh voice and new ideas. Belichick going there would basically tell me that even if Snyder is gone, the organization still thinks like he does.

I remember when Josh Rosen had similar accolades.

I just have this feeling if we get Pennix with #8 overall that his body would fall apart behind our OL.

Tyree born 1/3/80 and Eli 1/3/81.

Just a fun reminder of more fun times ... hopefully one day this team can somehow get back there again.

If Dallas beats Washington, the Eagles will lay down like dogs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 29, 2023, 10:17:29 AMMcVay is a brilliant playcaller.  Plus there is this

Isn't Mike McDaniel on that coaching tree as well?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2023, 02:10:21 PMYeah but if memory serves those were really the only three in the first few rounds over pretty much his whole tenure, which was a solid decade.

He drafted Beatty in the 2nd round earlier than those guys - so I think the point still stands.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2023, 09:22:12 AMOur O line woes are definitely not due to a lack of resources being thrown at the problem. That was true in the Reese years, but not anymore.

I suspect coaching is part of it, possibly a big part. I don't think it's purely because we haven't picked/signed  talented enough players (although that's surely also part of it).

One other indirectly related point: I have heard many express the opinion that we should not draft a QB "until we have fixed the O line." There are two aspects of this opinion that I personally disagree with:

(1) Drafting a QB and attending to the O line are not mutually exclusive events. You can invest significantly in improving your O line without using a top 8 pick on it.

(2) If we draft a QB, there is no prerequisite that he play right away if we think the line is still terrible. He can be shelved for a full year or longer if they believe that is the right thing.

I get that with point number two people are highly averse to the idea of "wasting" a year with a QB on a rookie contract, but unless you literally think you're winning a Super Bowl that first year with the QB as a rookie, I don't really view it that way. A QB pick is a 15-plus year investment if you get it right, so you can't really flip out about one single year. The Chiefs didn't use Mahomes for almost his entire rookie year, and things seemed to work out ok for them.

It wasn't even true in the Reese years, as he drafted Pugh, Flowers, and Richberg - that's 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder. They just didn't solve the problem.

Quote from: LennG on December 25, 2023, 08:09:17 PMMy problem with Daboll is he is new and probably doesn't have the authority to make coaching changes. There is no way our OL AND ST coaches should be here now, both are awful and that translates to the field. I see other trams relieve certain coaches of their duties mid stream, yet these two are just bad yet they continue here as if there is nothing we can do about it. Is Daboll afraid of doing something like this?

If Joe Judge had the authority to fire his OL coach after half a season, I'm sure Daboll has authority too.