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Quote from: Rambo89 on September 26, 2023, 08:26:31 AMThey spent the 7th overall pick on a player that they penciled in at Right Tackle having used the 4th overall pick on a Left Tackle 2 years prior.  If they didn't recognize the need for good offensive line play then I don't think they would have invested as much resources into it as they have.  They have recognized the need for it they just haven't been able to get the ROI on the investments they've made into the Offensive line.

So your in the camp that they can't make bad draft choices picking that high and can run with garbage players as back up?
Just drafting a center and nothing else this off season is what they did which has proven to be a bad choice after 3 games. There is no option at this point but to have hope these players won't continue to be the worse in the league at their positions and EZ did look good enough at LT that maybe he can be that swing tackle back up or the starting RT if Neal contnues to play the same.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 26, 2023, 09:18:59 AMThey've spent three top 90 picks on the O-line in the last 2 years. They got Glowinski and Bredeson last year. If they could literally just pick any player they want to be on their team, I'm sure they'd grab a couple of All-Pro guards but it doesn't work that way.

Not asking for all pro players although for next season they will have the cap space to get one especially at Guard.
Fixing a bad oline line by drafting a Center and then leaving the rest with a hope and prayer with the ones that played so poor will improve enough doesn't make sense to me.
I get they had to see if Neal was going to improve but they also need a back up Tackle so I felt the investment was warrented. 

Quote from: Bob In PA on September 26, 2023, 03:16:47 AMPhil: The issue for me relates directly to your observations. I was certain his feet were "better than" what I saw in these first three games.  IMO no one loses his ability to "dance" (if he ever had any).  That's why I say there is a mental element to his lack of success thus far in the NFL.  He has GOT TO BE overthinking some of the changes the coaches have asked him to make.  How much is mental and how much physical?  Just don't know.  Bob

Not sure about his foot speed but there was reports about how bad his balance was at the college level leaving him on the turf and that hasn't seemed to change.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 25, 2023, 04:56:55 PMMy point is that solving all these issues was never going to happen in two years. They opted to spend on the receiving corps rather than the O-line, which you can argue is a mistake. But also, the plan for the receiving corps was for Waller to be the top guy and everyone else to be somewhat supplemental.

I think Schoen had a 2-3 year plan, but winning 9 games last year messed with it because suddenly they were drafting 25th and had an actual decision to make on either paying Jones or going with a stopgap QB.

I just don't understand how especially after these past few years they haven't figured out the need for a functioning Oline because everything else won't matter. I'm not sure if Allen was able to overcome a bad oline and they thought they could get a way with it with Jones.
They decide to pay Jones a big contract where I again would expect them to want to protect that investment yet here we are will terrible oline play and a few more average WRs trying to make plays while under instant duress. .

Quote from: jgrangers2 on September 25, 2023, 03:13:53 PMThe issue is those players have to be available and at a price we can afford. Anyone you're signing at that low price tag is unlikely to be a huge improvement. That's literally what Glowinski and Bredeson were. Realistically, they spent a 2nd round pick on a Center after spending the 7th overall pick on an OT last year. That's a solid amount of draft capital on the O-line. Not to mention they took two more guards last year.

We entered last offseason with questions regarding our QB and RB, a weak receiving corps, no quality linebackers and one good cornerback. Not to mention our best defensive player wanted an extension. Any short-term upgrades were going to have to come from either the draft or guys simply getting better. Sometimes, that is unfortunately the only answer.

So the plan for the weak reciver group was to keep two of the starters and sign a slot player.
The Slayton money should've gone to a vet guard and Campbell has currently played like a bad signing and will probably be nothing more then injury insurance for most of the season.
Not sure what they could've done to free up some cap to sign a vet RT and after watching EZ playing the LT spot they should've at least been tried him at RT during the off season.

The team isn't developing the young drafted players.

I said it before the season and will say it again the FO didn't address the oline this past off season in case there wasn't any improvements. So far they haven't but it is only 3 games so there is still hope they can become good enough for stretches to allow the offense to attack down filed and open holes in the run game.

It's wild to see so many of the fans out here now agreeing about how bad Neal has been. 

The bad tackling is a concern especially after they let their best tackler leave for a small contract.

Quote from: Rambo89 on September 11, 2023, 11:53:39 AMStill sticking with 7-8 wins and missing the playoffs.  Even after last night I think this is a better team on paper but facing a tougher schedule. 

Some very encouraging rookies were drafted but they will have a learning curve.
Waller is certainly an upgrade and Campbell over James but after that it's the same group of vets and under achieving sophomores.

Quote from: Uni on September 11, 2023, 01:04:54 PMI was using the Cowboys game as a barometer of how far they've progressed, so 7 wins it is

Welcome to the troll group of fans.   

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 01, 2023, 03:46:23 PMSo far, not a single person here sees fewer than 10 wins (including myself), and the official over/under is 7.5. Must be a Giants fan board!

BTW I understand how over/unders work and that they're not a prediction but rather a setting designed to attract equal action on both sides. It still shows what the public broadly thinks though.

You must have me blocked since I said less then 10 and you never respond when I comment about your posts.
Oh well I do agree with most of your comments..

7 to 9 wins but much more competitive against the stronger teams.