Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 01:48:51 PMRemember when we were scared Mike Kaftka might get a head coaching job and leave us and were happy to have him back for this season?  IMO he can leave

Yeah, let's get DJ a 5th OC and hope for a different outcome.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:45:53 PMWell when you're always looking for your check down and not looking downfield by the time your pressure gets to you it's too late.

Pressure was quick but he was wide open with a single-high safety look. Throw deep to the outside hash while moving to his left would have been a difficult throw, which would have resulted in a huge gain.

The worst part about being a shitty team is we get j Vilma as a color commentary...it's the D team.

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:42:08 PMAgain indecisive

Had Waller on the post out.  Difficult throw to make moving to his left but he was wide open.

Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:29:39 PMThat sack was on Neal ..htf do you not see him ? Was right next to him

Novice fan reaction. We have zero idea if DJ was supposed to throw hot there or Grey was supposed to pick up the edge blitz.  To blame Neal is premature

Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:07:00 PMAnother third down check down

And makes a sloppy throw. 

Even.  I think he gives up 2.

Quote from: JT39 on October 06, 2023, 01:07:09 PMWith all that being said - I just dont think we need a new thread every time a media personnel says the same thing about him that the previous did....lol

I mean no offense, I dont give a rats behind what Shannon Sharpe thinks.

Yet, you're posting in every single one of those threads, multiple times, including this one. 

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on October 06, 2023, 11:13:18 AMExactly. Football is a game of chess and Jones is out there playing checkers. He got away with it last year (to an extent) but it's caught up to him this year.

In my view Jones doesn't have the mental processing speed to play QB at a high level against a high level of competition. What I think is happening out there now is that Jones is compensating by thinking so far ahead on a given play that he has trouble seeing the basics when the offense lines up. He's struggling with QB 101 concepts.

Daboll and company have to figure out a way to get him back to the basics of being a semi-competent game manager.

No comment other than it's great to have you back, Doc.

Quote from: zephirus on October 03, 2023, 08:28:08 AMThe reality of the situation is that Jones is our starter for this year AND next year.  The cap implications of getting rid of him until after the 2024 season would set this team back even further.  Wherever the Giants end up drafting, they should be picking offensive linemen early and often and give Jones 2024 as his prove it year.

I don't believe that's accurate at all.  The rookie salary cap ensures the pay will be the same, whether the Giants select a QB or RG...it doesn't matter.  Thus, the cap implications are the same; also, drafting a QB doesn't mean they'll cut DJ. Instead, it creates competition and allows the new QB to be incorporated slowly.  Next year the QB class is the deepest in recent history and the Giants would be wise to take advantage of the situation.  I certainly wouldn't advocate for drafting a 4th OL in 5 years and hoping a QB making his 70th+ start becomes something he's never been, at any level.  I just don't see how anyone could advocate for more of the same...

The objective data relating to DJ has been remarkably consistent; below represents his 17 game averages.  In short, he's been a consistent below average passer for 5 seasons now.  Moreover, this paradigm is unlikely to change for a QB making his 60th started.  Note, when you consider his rushing stats, he's average-to- above average when properly protected.  When you consider the last 5 SBs, they were won by teams helmed by Brady x2, Mahomes x2 and Stafford.  I believe this is reflective of modern football; you need a top passing game to win championships in the modern NFL.  DJ would have to improve his yards 1500+ yards and 20+ TDs to get into their hemisphere, with is a HUGE LEAP. Does anyone believe he's capable of said leap?  Even if you are, how long before the Giants are capable of putting the OL and weapons around to make it happen? Certainly not before the remaining 2-years on his contract expires (4th year is a dead year he'll never see).  If the Giants have a top-10 pick, it's a no brainer to select a QB.  The reality is, they haven't been in position to draft a QB since they selected DJ.  I suspect they would have drafted a QB when they elected not to exercise DJ's 5th yr option; however, it was the worst QB draft class in multiple decades.  Talk about bad luck, the Giants had two top 6 picks and no QB to spend them on....

Yr/Comp/TD/INT/RTG/QBR
2019    371    3958    31    16    87.7    55.7
2020    340    3574    13    12    80.4    54
2021    359    3752    15    11    84.8    41.5
2022    337    3405    16    5    92.5    62.9
2023    383    3251    9    26    69.7    44.5

Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:28:43 PMHe should be more concerned what his criminal ineptitude has done to his fan base a whole lot more than he should worry about a guy who pulled off one of the great thefts in league history. I hated that deal when it was signed and I hate it even more now.

Last year was a complete aberration that some of us highlighted this offseason; the Giants benefited from a lot of bounces and health, both were unlikely to happen again this season.  The win against a historically bad Playoff team furthered hampered our perception; the reality is, the Giants have not been good after the 7th game of last season...they beat some really bad teams and got walloped by good ones. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 02, 2023, 11:28:36 PMI hate to say it but Daboll may not survive this season. The team right now looks badly coached. They could very well be 0-4 right now. It's a bad situation.

I thinks he's guaranteed to get one more year, Ed. But your point is well taken, the antics on the sideline we're almost as embarrassing as Joe judge press conference meltdown.

Quote from: madbadger on October 02, 2023, 11:18:21 PMA promising rookie sitting behind a quarterback making $41 million next year and without the assets to improve the team.

I'd say trade him to the Jets, but I'm not sure they would want him.

Quote from: AYM on October 02, 2023, 11:17:56 PMWe sacked McNabb 12 times once.

Of course, McNabb was a better QB than Jones has been so far.

Didn't Osi have 6 of em?