Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on November 19, 2023, 08:35:46 AMJust go ahead make it full contact flag football. You can hit the other player but you can't take him down to the ground.

Of course, the only way a player is 'down' is if they go out of bounds or their flag is taken. A body part on the ground no longer ends the play. Could be interesting 🤔

What, nothing about players wearing dresses? I am always baffled that some people think any attempt at taking out techniques that injure other players is the next step to flag football. As if the high potential of injury and physical harm is such part in parcel with football as a blood sport. I don't watch football to see players intentionally injure other players.

That said, the hip drop tackle isn't some cherished part of tackling built into the fabric and traditions of the game. It's a technique that was introduced from the Rugby League a few years ago and is now gaining traction in the NFL and NCAA. It was outlawed in the Rugby League for... wait for it... causing too many leg injuries. The physics of the tackle make injury unavoidable. It's worse than the horse collar, and that was taken out. And just like the horse collar rule evolved from a specific set of actions of a more general pulling from the runner from behind, you don't have to define all the elements of the hip drop tackle - any tackle from behind where the tackler lands on the back of the legs would be a flag.

Again, this has been a recently learned technique. I don't ever remember seeing such widespread use of this type of tackle until recently. It's especially egregious when the tackler swings his legs toward the runner to ensure their full body weight lands on the other player, but it's not even worth defining the minutiae of the tackle. It can happen accidentally, especially out of desperation, but so do facemasks and horse collars. Making it a penalized offense will eliminate the egregious examples and stop tacklers from tackling in a manner where they inevitably land on the runners' legs. Yes, it's a fast and physical game. And it's never stopped the league from making it safer. Players will adapt.

Player safety is not flag football.

I will stop watching football if the NFL and NCAA does not penalize the hip drop tackle. Ravens lost Andrews on Thursday and the Florida State QB had his knee destroyed today.

It's such a dirty play with full intent to injure. I can't understand how all the leagues are waffling on this. As more and more tacklers use it, devastating ankle and knee injuries will mount.

It's ridiculous it's been allowed to go on for so long.

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The Giants already beat this team that now has a dimished pass rush after trading away Sweat and Young. I think they can win outright, but they should cover

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Quote from: Philosophers on November 16, 2023, 01:59:07 PMI also wonder how good Daniels is given how talented his WRs are.  JJ has Roman Wilson who is at best a 3rd round draft pick.  While I love his heart and effort, Wilson does not have NFL athleticism. 

Chicken and egg situation: do Daniels' receivers make him look good or does Daniels make his receivers look good?

As I stated in other posts, I would be very happy with Daniels, Penix, or McCarthy if Williams and Maye area already gone. All three will be top ten picks. All of them exhibit special traits, all are accurate throwers and have great to great arm talent. McCarthy might fall of the top ten if he bombs against Ohio State, but Daniels will probably be QB3 by the end of the combine.

Quote from: GloryDays on November 14, 2023, 04:22:48 PMI think due to his salary cap, we should keep him for at least next year. If we wanna spend our first on a new QB fine, but the number one task should be to fix the O line (new scouts and coach) so the rookie has a chance too. Let DJ compete with the new kid behind a decent line. Then at the very least, he has trade value also.

We would have to trade DJ PLUS a draft pick to get some team with lots of cap space to take on his salary. This can't even be done until 2025 anyway because of the dead money, but no one will trade for him because he will be cut after 2024 anyway. Unless Gettleman ends up a GM somewhere, maybe he would do something real dumb like that

I saw some things I've never seen before. The game was bonkers. The ending was bonkers

Allen straight up dropping the ball before handing it off to Cook. It's inexplicable

Cook getting the ball poked out then bouncing right back into his arms in stride like it's Aussie Rules football.

C'mon man, Schoen may have final say, but Papa is acting like Mara has no input in the decisions that are made. He's clearly in the room, he clearly has influence on the final decisions.

The way the contract is structured really feels like Schoen gave Jones a contract that he could back away from. $40 mil AAVE is a lot unless you consider they spent a few more dollars to engineer an escape hatch.

Quote from: SlotCorner on November 14, 2023, 09:48:32 AMI'm not a big college football dude, so I won't have a strong opinion one way or another. But why isn't anyone talking about Jayden Daniels? Has LSU not played anyone? Dude's highlights are ridiculous. He put up 500 total yards by himself against Florida.

It was 606!

I would be quite happy with Maye, Williams, Daniels, or Penix, in that order. All of them bring multiple elite traits to the table, Penix's arm is ridiculous. He was ripping frozen ropes into the wind against Utah. I'm looking forward to the OSU Michigan game to see if McCarthy has the goods or not, so he's TBD. But the way the draft order is shaking out, the Giants should be able to select on of the top four. If they traded down from #1 or #2 and selected Penix or Daniels and picked up another first round pick I would be ecstatic.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 14, 2023, 10:46:35 AMWhile it's difficult to win in the NFL without a good QB, it's almost always dangerous to settle on a QB.  If the team doesn't see a ceiling of "elite QB" it seems foolish to take all the risks inherent in drafting a QB.  Besides, I don't get how fans who constantly argued that Jones didn't measure up to the elite QBs would be satisfied with just a solid QB.

Williams, Maye, Penix, and Daniels have shown elite traits. McCarthy hasn't perhaps showcased elite traits, but he's still a better prospect than Jones ever was (OSU Michigan will go a long way in evaluating McCarthy). I don't think any of those QBs are settling

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As someone pointed out, the top two prospects in 2025 are still Williams and Maye (because they're still Juniors and haven't declared yet). Then if drops off. Way off. And Williams and Maye are almost 100% going to declare, so they won't even be in the mix for 2025. Even if the Giants don't have a shot at Williams or Maye in 2024, getting Penix, Daniels, or McCarthy would be preferable to being stuck with the 2025 class.

If you take Harrison in 2024, the QB situation will be in limbo for years. It's clearly not Jones and the team can't afford to sign an upper tier free agent vet because of Jones' contract.

No more QBs from Duke, no more QBs named Jones

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Quote from: MagicRat on November 13, 2023, 12:56:27 AMAt this stage I guess we wonder what Carolina thinks of Young, but Bill is up to no good in New England, looks like they're done winning this season.

The Carolina pick is going to Chicago, so it's a matter of what the Bears think of Justin Fields

And to think we were thisclose to losing him after being cut from the final 53. That would have been a bigger mistake than DJ's contract, lucky no other team wanted him

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Total bust

No 6 overall pick totally over drafted by the worst Giants GM

Injury prone, slow processor, indecisive thrower

Only distinguishing trait was running

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