Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 11, 2024, 11:13:17 PMOkay, simply check the 64, 66 and 73 Giants..who were godawful. Hyperbole is  so grand.

I said "21st century"

the rules back then were also different

Quote from: AYM on March 11, 2024, 11:22:06 PMIf we fix the offensive line, it will be a better offense even if Daniel Jones is still the QB.

fixing the oline does not make our running game any better without Saquon. This will easily be a bottom 5 run team especially without Jones's running being effective bc of injury.


unless they draft drake or daniels, this offense will be even worse than last year, no doubt in my mind.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 09:07:26 PMKayvon is entering year 3.  They have him under contract through 2026 if they want.

in theory then that makes it impossible for them to sign him with Jones taking up so much cap space (and now Burns). Jones is gone after this Burns move, not sure why more people aren't getting that still

Quote from: files58 on March 11, 2024, 10:39:17 PMIncomplete. He inherited dreck with limited $ resources to begin an immediate, slow turnaround. Surprise, they made the playoffs, and won a game. Everyone has to know that Schoen/Daboll had their own objective scouting reports on Jones when leaving Duke, and all the tape you need afterwards. I would like to know what they really thought, and think. Mara steps up and throws a cup of salt in the soup, not a tablespoon. I'll say it again the 2yr out is a compromise. We don't know what happens in the executive suite, but it wouldn't surprise me if now Mara has agreed to back away, and let Schoen do his thing. I can only hope. Barkley is gone, Jones will be next unless he morphs into a real QB. So now to today. Before this afternoon Schoen was being led out to the town square by some here. After lunch things seem to change. Schoen signed two guards who have to be better than what was here, acquired a pass rusher considered to be elite, and a familiar RB to be part of a committee in DABOLL'S offense. He made an attempt to fortify both sides of the LOS. That's how you win in the NFL, at the LOS. It was a good day. Let's let Schoen do his thing.

them making the playoffs had nothing to do with schoen, it was all daboll. That's why he won coach of year.

And after a year where they made the playoffs, how did Schoen respond? Making the aboslute worst possible decision in every way since. Even disregarding the Jones contract, every signle draft pick and acquisition Schoen has made has been a total failure besides Kayvon.


The most egregious error was not selling Xavier and Saquon at the deadline. Inexcusable.

While I like the Burns move in theory, if he doesnt' pan out Schoen will offically be worse than Gettleman as the worst GM in Giants history. Big risk.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on March 11, 2024, 11:08:10 PMHa ha. You don't know anything. Calm yourself. Been plenty worse in my lifetime.

i know plenty sir, no need to be a dick.

defensively after the Burns move we are much better.. BUT assuming we don't draft a QB, this will be potentially the worst offense of 21st century football even with our 2 oline additions. Save this post!

Quote from: kingm56 on March 11, 2024, 10:57:41 PMExactly Andrew; a 26 year old edge can absolutely be considered part of a full rebuild; if all goes well, and the Giants get the QB right, they can be competitive in 2-years, which Burns will only be 28.  If they don't get the QB right, non of it matters anyway... 

he absolutely is not when we GAVE UP a second rounder to get him and he is taking up so much of our cap space.

this is the move of a desperate power hungry man/GM who knows his ass is on the line if they don't win games next season. I have 100% confidence we are going QB seeing the Burns situation play out

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 11, 2024, 10:50:03 PMThere's just no way you can draft someone as high as #6 and then change their position. LT and RT are not interchangeable.

i do it all the time in madden no big deal (jokes)

Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on March 11, 2024, 10:10:35 PMI am probably still in the minority , but I think we should draft Alt and look for a WR in the second round even though we now only have 1 second round pick.

you definitely are. no team has used more 1st and 2nd round picks on Oline in last 8 years than Giants.. where has that gotten us?

Take or trade up for QB and at worst take WR

this team would be STACKED had we just signed Saquon to a 3 year and tagged Jones, we would be able to draft a Caleb Williams in that situation and be a contender next year.

FUCKIN JONES!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 11, 2024, 08:32:42 PMSigned by the Pats already, no?

Quote from: JT39 on March 11, 2024, 08:59:20 PMI enjoy how many different ways you bash Jones with different thread titles.

Using caps doesn't make you look smarter by the way. Or even to be taken seriously.

you need help, your failed attempts at condescension fall on deaf EARS

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 08:17:41 PMI was pissed as f*** we lost Barkley and Im not happy about the way he's acting

BUT

Upon further thought I feel like today has become more of a WIN than a loss

Why?

Losing Saquon sucks yes... but we just simply cant afford to pay a RB that much money

Losing McKinney sucks no matter how much you try to spin it... but the cost was really high

Now lets look at the incoming moves

We signed two midlevel Linemen, while not splashy ..... just the possibility of them being an upgrade is something we can look forward too... We also have a new O-line coach that in itself may have improved the O-line without the upgrades

Singleterry on the surface is no Barkley not even close ... BUT he does average 4 YAC ....  Now lets say the O-line does have some form of magical improvement to lets say the middle of the pack ... is Singleterry behind a decent O-line really going to be felt that much over an often injured Barkley behind a terrible O-line who only ran for 900 yards ?  IDK the trade off may be worth it

Then the obvious Burns... we essentially traded Williams and moved back 8 picks for Burns... crazy deal but absolutely worth it

Whoever we have at safety can hopefully have an easier job with Burns and Thibs wreaking havoc causing opposing teams QB's to throw it away

Azeez should also benefit as he is now only needed situationally and can hopefully keep fresh legs and less chance of injury

While I want a QB I rather the Giants not reach and just draft someone like Nabers unless one of the 3 QBs drop

I think the building blocks are better off now

agreed, schoen went from goat to goat IF Burns is as good as advertised

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 08:21:00 PMLooking at those pass blocking grades I would guess they have someone else in mind for 3rd down.

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would love antonio gibson

salary cap.


We just made Burns the 2nd highest paid pass rusher in league.. the assumption is we will also pay Kayvon. We are also paying Dex and Thomas massive amounts of cash. It is virtually impossible to sign Kayvo given Jones's contract unless we cut him.


What is the best contract in all of sports? The rookie QB contract.

The Burns trade solidifies we are not in rebuild mode, but going for the playoffs as soon as next year. I expect us to go QB round 1 by trading our 2nd and future 2nd  and skill position players rest of draft.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 11, 2024, 07:54:20 PMThe Giants had the 25th ranked defense last year, giving up 23.9 ppg. The issues were far more than just the QB position, and having just an average does not guarantee the playoffs. 

and why do you think they had such a bad defense? Because the OFFENSE was never on the field.

The issue is 100% the QB when he is clogging up one quarter of your salary and doing absolutely nothing to help others on the field.