Big Blue Huddle

So far we know that the short-list contains.....

Ben McAdoo
Steve Spagnuolo
Adam Gase
Doug Marrone
Sean McDermott
Terryl Austin

It may have contained Sean Peyton but he's no longer in consideration

No 'big names' on that short-list as yet but no one who has failed dismally as a HC besides Spagnuolo (courtesy interview).

Even balance of OC's and DC's

I went for needs more time. Why? Because regardless of the type of players he had to work with as we saw against the Cowboys in the first game a QB an offensive coordinator studying his play-calling tendencies from years ago picked apart his defense like they knew what was coming - because they did.

Quite frankly, I don't think he's learned anything new since last time he was with us. He hasn't evolved in any way.

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Quote from: Osi72 on April 30, 2015, 10:32:59 AM
Uh so running backs aren't a fit for our philosophy but wide receivers are?? Little confused as to why no RB was bolded, lol


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I think Ceri just doesn't think we should consider a RB in round one, this was limited to that round.

If I'd put up my target list for tomorrow what would I have to do tomorrow morning? 

Quote from: Tomeee on April 30, 2015, 09:02:31 AM
Wow two RBs and two WRs before the first OL at 13.

Shiny hood ornaments?

I'm sure you put a lot of work into this lets see how your top 10 / 25 pan out.

Like I said, it's where I rate the players not where they will go. I'll put my mock draft up soon enough and you'll see what I mean

The ranking below reflects a combination of where I rate a player, not necessarily where I think they will go.

Those in bold are players I consider fit the Giants schemes/philosophy and will be amongst the targets in the 1st round

Those marked with * may slip a long way due to character/OTF issues. For now I've listed La'el Collins amongst them. If he's cleared before tonight he joins those in bold.

1. DL Leonard Williams, USC
2. WR Amari Cooper, Alabama
3. DE Vic Beasley, Clemson
4. DE/OLB Dante Fowler, Florida
5. QB Jameis Winston, Florida State*
6. WR Kevin White, West Virginia
7. QB Marcus Mariota, Oregon
8. RB Todd Gurley, Georgia
9. DT Danny Shelton, Washington
10. DE Shane Ray, Missouri*
11. RB Melvin Gordon, Wisconsin
12. DL Arik Armstead, Oregon
13. OL La

Quote from: Osi72 on April 28, 2015, 05:29:57 PM

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Quote from: Osi72 on April 28, 2015, 05:20:47 PM
I'd be fine taking Perryman as a 2 down LB, swap him out for a safety on 3rd and long. 
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The MLB is traditionally the signal caller on defense. If Perryman has to leave the field in passing situations the defense would either be without its signal caller or, as is the case with Beason, have a player left in that is easily exploited in pass coverage.

I personally don't see the point in playing a MLB on 3rd, I'll take the faster guy who can cover and also cover more ground. If it's 3rd and 12, he really has no business on the field unless he's actually good at coverage. Slow footed toe injured beacon, perryman, those are guys you keep on first and second, on third have them take a seat.

Give me that 3rd safety instead, you have other players who are capable of telling players that he sees X or Y coming.

Just my two cents


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I know he's on the sideline but were you planning to give Spags a megaphone to get the play call in or for Perryman's helmet to be interchangeable with that of the 3rd Safety?

Hey, maybe we can just hold up billboards college style 

Quote from: Osi72 on April 28, 2015, 05:20:47 PM
I'd be fine taking Perryman as a 2 down LB, swap him out for a safety on 3rd and long. 
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The MLB is traditionally the signal caller on defense. If Perryman has to leave the field in passing situations the defense would either be without its signal caller or, as is the case with Beason, have a player left in that is easily exploited in pass coverage.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 28, 2015, 11:02:17 AM
I think the Giants have a particular love for relatively local product from Syracuse over to BC down to UConn.  With Jones, they see Jason Sehorn type athleticism and someone who can play meaningful minutes but with good upside.  I think Byron Jones is a Giant if he is available in round 2.

I'd definitely say he's 'in the mix' at #40. Whether we like him most at CB or FS it doesn't really matter. We need both and are a team that drafts athletes first (wherever possible).

Overview
There are some good players available for ILB, MLB or WLB including three I expect to be off the board early on the second day of the draft (and one may get picked at the back end of the 1st round). The Giants have brought in FA

The talent available
There are a lot of guys with talent but every single one of them has pronounced faults in their game and none likely to be drafted in the top half of the 1st round. That said, three look likely to be taken in the back end of the 1st round and teams will undoubtedly look to load up on CB

Quote from: Painter on April 26, 2015, 11:50:51 AM
Another amazing presentation, Ceri.  Aside from questions about talent at the position, there will be a big experience deficit. Spags will have to find one of them to replace Rolle in making the defensive coverage adjustments.

As for coverage behind what likely will be a frequently rotated Dline with some iterations of the so called, Four Aces package, you might recall Tom Coughlin's comment about Spags's experience with the fire zone blitz when he hired him in '07. With his rehire this time, he mentioned that Spags has since learned a lot about defending the spread offense. That may well suggest that we will see a lot of Cover3 Fire Zone. That will involve 5 DBs, 2 of whom play the seams, two play a tight 3rd, one the middle 3rd. How we label some of those guys: CB, Nickel DB, SS, WS, FS may be less important than is their learning and executing those positions well. We may know who before we know what and whether.     

Cheers!

I think it will be a fascinating season to watch as it unfolds. I consider myself a 'veteran' but every year I learn more. Maybe this is why football  intrigues and excites me so much?

Quote from: Osi72 on April 26, 2015, 10:48:05 AM
I don't think the Jets need a WR after acquiring Brandon Marshall to pair with Decker. Not to mention they didn't exactly have anyone to throw him the ball. Same goes for Washington, they have Gar

Quote from: Bob In PA on April 26, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
Dorsett is Phillip.  I don't think he's related to Anthony or Anthony, Jr., but I do view him as you do (a winner).  Bob

Amended 

The talent available
Potential stars and depth abound in this draft. Last year was special and this year it looks like there may well be a repeat performance. I have one in my top 5, another in my top 10 and then a bit of a gap to the next best guy who ranks in my top 20 before a half dozen players who sit on the borderline of 1st/2nd round selection. Last year saw 5 WR

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 23, 2015, 11:13:26 AM
Another interesting thing about safety prospects.   One thing Greg Cossell mentioned this morning is that some teams prefer interchangeable safeties (as it makes it harder to guess a defense) and some prefer the traditional free safety and strong safety.   My memory is a little bit fuzzy on this issue, but I sort of recall Spags using the left and right safety approach last time he was here.

Wilson was a shorter/lighter FS, Butler a prototypical Giants SS but both had fairly interchangeable skills. Johnson was the prototypical sized rookie used more like an extra 'backer in the nickel.