Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 05:54:49 PMI'll do better. Gotta go rewatch the game...

I envy anyone who has that amount of free time.

Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 05:39:37 PMUncalled for post. Should be reported.

The irony is rich.  If you feel it's reportable, report it and let the mods to their jobs.

It's not a big deal. It's a snarky comment, nothing more. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 27, 2022, 04:18:30 PMIsn't that Jones though? An average QB In a run first offense. That sums him up perfectly as Tannehill is the Jones ceiling comp for most fans and pundits alike.

It's also not true.  Tannehill last two years in Mia were actually pretty good.  He also put up an MVP type season a few years ago. He's not average, he's good. The problem is, good is no longer good enough.

The data suggest an elite wr can help a QB on a rookie contract, playing less than 30 games, or an older QB playing his his twilight years. They have little impact on QBs in their prime.

Quote from: AP44 on December 27, 2022, 03:31:53 PMAllen took a giant leap when he got Diggs.
Murray's best games were with Hopkins.
Tua is much better with Hill.
Herbert's numbers took a major dip without Allen and Williams.
How's Aaron Rodgers doing without Adams?

Again... works both ways.

Rodgers's is 38...this could be a natural decline that happens with all QBs. Carrs numbers are the same with Adam's as without him.

Herbert's  "dip" is VASTLY overstated.  Have you compared and contrasted the numbers against last year's production? It's not as vast as you and BF suggest. 

TUAs has come back to earth the last five weeks, going 1 and 4, while throwing 5 TD to 4 int. Even with two elite WRs, he's settling into to exact QB he's always been.  Good, but not great. 

Besides, you're missing the point. The point is, there's absolutely no guarantee that adding an elite wr will vastly improve DJs performance. The data actually says the reverse for QBs on their second contacts below 35 years old. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 27, 2022, 02:46:05 PMThat's two different questions. Hill for whatever reason had a slightly down year last year relative to all his other years with Mahomes. That is not uncommon and there are any number of reasons for that. Could have been nursing a minor injury that mildly impacted his performance. Who knows.

My point is Hill is clearly a stud receiver who is easily top five and most likely top three in the league. I don't think that statement is up for debate.

Hill left the Chiefs.

Mahomes' numbers are better this year than they were last year.

My point is that that's hard to explain if the correlation between QB performance and their exact receivers is as direct and strong as you guys say it is. Losing Hill, according to how many here emphasize the dramatic importance of receivers, should have impacted Mahomes noticeably to the downside, and not only has that not happened, but Mahomes is having an MVP caliber season that is better than last year by a significant margin.

Tannehill lost AJ Brown and his numbers are the exact same; Chase was out for over a month and Burrow continued to put up top 5 numbers. I could go on-and-on...

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 25, 2022, 04:59:12 PMEli was consistently in the Top 10 in TD's for the prime of his career. 

Yeah, I'm not sure what stats Rich Is referring to as Eli routinely finished in the top 10 of several statistical categories during his prime: 2005 to 2012. As you accurately pointed out, he was #2 in TDs his sophomore season.  He finished his career in the top 10 of several statistical categories. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 25, 2022, 03:15:05 PMI agree they're similar, even though I believe 2019 had better weapons, I think this staff is better.

The key factor should be obvious...it's a healthy Barkley

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 24, 2022, 11:08:31 PMI hope they do!  Less money to pay everyone else.

You can disagree.  But even with 2 picks Eagles nearly win!  The drop off isn't much.

But they didn't win; they only lost 1 of 14 games with Hurst  and made the playoffs solely because of him last year. Uncle Rico doesn't lead Phili to the playoffs last year...no way.  Hurts is a 2x Pro Bowler and will be an AP and MVP candidate this season. To suggest there wasn't, or won't be any drop off is mind blowing, especially when you consider Minshew has already thrown for 40% of Hurts picks and equaled 100% of his loses in just one game. You don't win many games when your QB has mult turnovers.  In short, with Hurts, phili is the best team in football, without him, they're not. They just proved that tonight.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 24, 2022, 10:13:00 PMThe drop off in my opinion was minimal!

To my eyes Mustache Man just showed the NFL that Hurtz isn't as great as ppl think, the team around him makes him who he is.

Completely disagree, his 2 ints were the reason they lost. In the first game, hurts didn't turn over the ball and threw two TDs.  The eagles are going to give Hurts a top 10 contract.

Quote from: killarich on December 24, 2022, 07:25:56 PMDevontae  just made an incredible catch for minshew .... He was about a foot in the air with two defenders on him at

It was a great catch! However, we also learned that you can't simply plug a quarterback into the Philly O, and expect the same results. Uncle Rico played ok; however, if Hurts plays, Phili wins. 

Quote from: brownelvis54 on December 24, 2022, 06:14:55 PMBottom 10?......... it might be fair to see the bottom of the entire NFL. Would you be as kind to name the other nine teams that are in the bottom 10 with the Giants?

I have already entertained this exercise, which I have quantified with subjective and objective data.  It just gets ignored for ones narrative.  I am not doing this again.  What's clear to me is a lot of posters don't pay attention to the rest of the league, at least not in-depth.  Instead of a one to end list, I'll give you list of teams that are in the Giants tierl

Chi (probably the worse...they lost Monney weeks ago)
Hou...they have 30 year old Cooks, that's it
Balt...they were terrible to begin with, but have lost thier top 2 mediocre WRs during the year...worse than the Giants
Atl...worse than the Giants as they haven't had Ridley at all.
Tenn...worse than the Giants...they don't even have a Slayton
GB...equal to the Giants as both only have one WR with 750+ yards/year.  Watkins has already been released and Lazard has proven a dud.
NO... worse than the Giants, Thomas and Landry are on IR; the former never really played, leaving TRE'QUAN SMITH, RASHID SHAHEED, and CHRIS OLAVE
NE...no real pop; Parker is a shell of himself...

Do I need to keep going, or is this enough? 

I'm actually getting some amusement from this thread; the posters who lectured us that it's not important to be right, have rushed here to tell us they're right.  It happens every time DJ has a good game, which he enjoyed today.  Still, a little perspective is always good.  Yes, DJ WR are bottom 10 and yes DJ enjoyed the game against the NFLs #31st ranked passing def, both are relevant.  In total, I think his 58 QBR and 93 RTG accurately reflect his effort today. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 24, 2022, 10:15:15 AMFine, so long as you understand that is you saying that, not me.  I've never claimed he needs elites at every position, just a reasonable amount of quality on the ofense, something he has never had here.

In salary cap era, reasonable amount of quality on offense,' especially the offensive lines, is a luxury.  Consider Joe Burrow, his line has and continues to stink...he was putting up top 5 numbers without Chase for over a month too.  Herbert's had worse offensive lines than DJ and had an amazing rookie season and continues to dominate. We also know Mahomes OLs stunk prior to this year; speaking of this year, Mahomes has been without his top 3 WRs multiple weeks this season and is throwing to a bunch of meh guys; obviously, this doesn't include Kelce.  The point is, very few teams get to enjoy the Eagles' luxury, which includes multiple 'reasonable' players at all levels. Finally, these QBs have earned the term elite because they have been HIGHLY successful without 'a reasonable amount of quality on offense.'  That's what makes them unique.  Moreover, let's stop pretending DJ is playing without talent; at the end of the season, his LT and RB will be APs...that's not bad!

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 24, 2022, 12:13:10 AMNeither does mine!

But crazy enough for once Rich and I are fairly close lol

I actually believe 90%+ agrees on DJs potential future. The fringes (he stinks or he'll be elite with a top-tier Wr) are minor.