Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: T200 on December 20, 2022, 03:24:26 PMTwo questions:

1) What do you consider to be a reasonable offer for Jones?
2) Would you be upset if Schoen makes that offer to Jones but Jones goes to another team for more money?

For me, $20 million per year for 3 years is reasonable.
No, I would not be upset if he takes more money from another team.

If there is a QB the Front Office loves it's not even a question that I'd just let him walk.

If they don't and just need someone to start next season I offer Jones a similar deal to what Jamie's Winston got in New Orleans which is 2 years $28 million.  Anything over $20 million AAV is a massive overpay based upon what he's done in his 4 seasons as QB.

Quote from: TDToomer on December 20, 2022, 03:33:05 PMHere we go again. Another non-Jones thread derailed into another never ending Daniel Jones debate. Take it to the Jones thread that couldn't be any louder and brighter at the top of page 1. 

Comment wasn't even about Jones directly but more at the concept of football being a team game and how a QB's play could impact a WR's production and vice versa.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 19, 2022, 12:18:01 PMAnd yet 94%, 91 out of 97 yards, of the yards on their best drive of the year were through the air.  And the second longest drive of the season happened with Barkley in the blue tent and not on the field. 

And that 'great' defense is 26th in yards allowed and 14th in points allowed.  The latter stat, which is the that really counts in my eyes is good, but I wouldn't call it great.

But to be fair, Barkley was literally a whirling dervish on that final drive.  After those 3 whirling runs I was yelling at the TV, "you've got them set up, go play action!!!"

And yet the Giants still have the 5th least productive passing game in the League.

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 11:08:58 AMJones QBR this week - 74. Which was 4th best in the league.

Now, I am not a fan of QBR whatsoever, but many have used advanced stats to advocate players at other positions. So if we are consistent with that notion, Jones was one of the better QBs this week.

TBF and I am not saying you but it has been those who have advocated for Daniel Jones that have used the advanced stats rather than the detractors.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:31:20 AMI think they will believe he has more upside. I see a QB who will help the Giants have winning records and make the playoffs some years. I don't see the Giants dominating unless he proves he can make big plays downfield. However there is clearly an influence on him as he goes for the safe option.

If this was the regime that drafted him I would agree with this.  But the fact that he isn't their guy that they drafted that they have invested their tenures on tells me that what's out there for next spring's draft will determine the direction they go in.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 19, 2022, 09:36:41 AMI wonder...

DJ went through 3 HCs - 4 different OCs.

Mara admits we screwed this kid up.

Is this years plan a safe plan to rebuild him and his confidence?

Are the Giants playing it safe, to rebuild him knowing this years wins/losses really don't matter long term?

Rebuild him mentally, have him gain confidence, surround him with better targets next year and then start to open it up and let him loosen up a bit?

Idk

Just a thought!!!

Since the day he was hired Schoen has mentioned "Compete today and Build for tomorrow." As his team building mantra.  Going with a game plan formula to win games has allowed the Giants to compete for today.  I don't believe that holding Jones back would build for tomorrow if they felt he was capable of being their guy.  If anything I think they would want to have him take more chances and learn from that.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 09:14:38 AMI think he should also have a good PFF grade. He's finally sniffing playoffs and he has the support of the majority of the sportswriters and ex players. Like I've said, they will look to have him back next year. He hasn't given them a reason to definitely move on.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/giants-daniel-jones-can-smell-playoffs-after-years-of-misery/amp/

The reason to move on IMO will be impacted by whether the front office has identified a QB in next spring's draft they want to target.

Quote from: Ed Vette on December 19, 2022, 08:56:16 AMJones played a better game last night. The quick passes were the key for Jones' success and the Line did a decent job with Bredeson an upgrade at LG. Jones made some nice passes and a few off target passes. He also checked down when the Right WR had beaten his man on a go route. Overall he had a solid game. Still 13 points of Offensive is nothing to thump the chest over.

It's clear that Barkley is the face of this franchise and it was underscored when NBC highlighted the matchup with a shot of Heineke and SB. That's the impression the rest of the league has.

He did what he had to do to win managing the game.  Giants formula for winning is with their running game, not turning over the ball and playing great defense.

Quote from: AP44 on December 19, 2022, 08:28:11 AMIt's amazing after a big time win last night, we still have to read posts degrading the QB. And I was told I was the one with the agenda....

Pointing out the Giants haven't been a high productive offense this season just like last season is not strictly targeted at one player but rather the entire unit as to play calling/scheme not being the issue.  It's lack of overall talent.

Quote from: AP44 on December 18, 2022, 08:14:51 PMThe giants struggle this year has nothing to do with Garrett's ineptness.

I didn't see teams lining up to sign him this off-season.

Just another example of the "scheme" and "play calling" not being the issue

Quote from: AP44 on December 18, 2022, 07:01:34 PMIt boggles my mind why we haven't stayed with Glennon and Jason Garrett. Right?!?

Speaking of Jason Garrett.  At what point do people apologize for blaming him for the offenses troubles the prior two seasons?

After a solid rookie season I thought Mac Jones would be better this season.  He's been a disappointment in New England to me.

Colt McCoy 2
Dak Prescott 6
Daniel Jones 5
Mac Jones 4
Ryan Tannehill 6
Jimmy G 6
Goff 6
Mitch Trubisky 5
Derek Carr 6

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 17, 2022, 11:40:13 AMI find it perplexing that people get as bent out of shape as they do about "Jones critics", but these same folks seem perfectly fine to start (or participate in) thread after thread about how we have the worst receivers in the league, how pathetic our blocking is, and how our play-calling and coaches in general are terrible (moreso in past years on the latter point but very common over the years).

Why is criticism only a problem for these folks when it happens to be about Daniel Jones? Why is it not only not a problem with other players and members of this organization, but in fact it seems to be welcomed, encouraged, and repeated over and over again? But yet if anyone puts anything non-positive about Jones, that person is a "hater", PMs get sent by people who can't seem to handle it, and personal attacks frequently ensue?

It's all rather odd, but any fair and objective observation of all of this would have to conclude that, for some reason, people are just highly sensitive about our QB in particular and get visibly offended (or at least put off) if basically not every other member joins in a chorus of cheerleading and is completely unwilling to or incapable of of every finding even a modicum of fault in him as a player.

People are entitled to their opinions and we're not going to change each other's minds but the misrepresentation of someone else's position as hating Jones because they believe he's a middle of the road QB.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 16, 2022, 04:19:16 PMMost people everyone calls Jones haters genuinely think he's a middle of the road average Qb, and just think the team should go in a different direction. That's it, and you can make it more but in reality they think he's 15-20 and want more for the team. Not hating, just loving the Giants and having a different perspective.

The biggest issue in these discussions is this.  Anything that isn't 100% Pro Jones is seen as hating him.

The last few days those loyal to John Mara in the media and former players like Tynes have been putting out these pieces.  It's almost like they want to force public pressure to force Schoen to commit to Jones.  Hopefully Schoen and the new regime doesn't give in and makes their own decision.