Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 23, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
I am very sorry about your Father, King. I can't begin to imagine how difficult for everyone involved that must have been.

Thanks, Dave; this will be the first football season without him.  I'm sure many here experienced something similar as the love of football (giants) is typically passed on to us from our parents. I know I did my fatherly duties as my son is a 4th generation Giants fan...I feel I've made my contributions to society.     

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 23, 2021, 11:45:36 AM
King: I'm not going to pick on minor details in your post (for example, polio actually still exists today, as you probably know; it even says so in the link you posted) but rather attempt to answer your question.

You misconceive my point.  It was not to equate the two subjects (as we both know, they are not equal) but rather to INTENTIONALLY AND UNFAIRLY present a conundrum to the poster.

My purpose was to illustrate as best as I could how it must feel for Toney to hear other people say they have a RIGHT to judge how he makes a serious and important medical decision.

As we both know, the vaccine is very effective. A person who's fully vaccinated (as I am) has decided it's better/safer for them to take the tiny risk that the vaccination will produce a bad result than to risk getting covid.

But I'm an old man at greater risk than Toney of dying from the disease.  Toney may well have decided that FOR HIM, the risk of having an adverse reaction to the vaccine is greater than the risk of dying from the virus.

The attempt to shame, bully or simply cajole other people with regard to making difficult personal medical decisions is a VERY slippery slope. I believe we cannot allow that to happen and still have a "free" country.

If we can be "forced" to take a vaccine, maybe we can also be forced to have medical experimentation done on our bodies.  I don't think we should go down that road, today or ever.  Hope that answers your question.

Bob

Bob, I have immense respect for you, my friend.  I have no desire to quibble with someone so kind and open-minded. I'll admit to some bias on this subject as I lost my dad to Covid, having watched him on a ventilator for almost 30-days before his organs finally succumbed to the virus.  He was unable to take a vaccine due to medical complications; so, he was forced to rely on others executing good judgment. The same is simply not true for abortions.  Regardless, I'll leave it there, my friend....I have no desire to argue with you. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on July 23, 2021, 11:03:17 AM
I think the pro-life community would disagree with this point. They would surely regard the aborted fetus as an "other" who has been impacted by the decision to abort.

And therein lies the crux of the entire abortion debate. No point in going down that whole road in a football forum, however I think you are unlikely to persuade any pro lifers here that abortion does not also have "clear impacts on others."

Dave, I don't see the correlation; abortions are limited to two people and only two people; a virus has the ability to impact billions.  It's not the same; not even close....

Quote from: Bob In PA on July 23, 2021, 10:17:52 AM
TD: It's none of your business whether he got vaccinated or not.  Who are you to judge what he does with his body?  Or do you believe you also have the right to tell a woman whether or not to get an abortion?  Bob

Bob,

I'll concede your point if you can tell me how a women's abortion impacts you, the health system, or our economy.
Unlike abortions, the choice to vaccinate has clear impacts on others, especially the elderly and medically vulnerable.  Vaccinations is our ONLY viable defense at eradicating this horrendous virus.  So yes, it is our business; in fact, in my line of work, we have the authority to verify someone's vaccination.  I am thankful prior generations were concerned with the greater good; otherwise, polio and multiple other virus would still exist today....   

Here are 14 diseases eliminated by vaccinations.  If people thought as Slugs, they would still exists today; yet, he has the gull to call others ignorant.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/diseases/forgot-14-diseases.html

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 18, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
It was lengthy no doubt.   I figured if he took the time to write it, I could take the time to read it.  I have no doubt this post means a lot to Dale.

That

If you have time to read that post, I envy you!

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 18, 2017, 12:15:33 AM
Ramczyk is a decent player.

Could go either way in the pros.

IMO.

Bob

True for every player available via the draft; even the so called 'can't miss' players have bombed...

1) I'm currently living in Iraq, but grew up in Bangor, Maine. My family and I will be moving to Virginia in early November (Redskins country, God save me!)

2)  I've been a fan since the early 80s.  My dad taught me three important things; Love the Giants, Worship the Red Soxs, and hate the Yankees (sorry guys). 

3)  I'm currently assigned to a Combat Communication Squadron in the USAF. 

4)  I have a wonderful son whom I love spending time with.