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We're in around year 10 or 12 of losing. I want them win. Look where they are with all the great draft positions they've had. I can't believe anyone here wants the to lose to Dallas of Philly.

Tanking means losing on purpose to get better draft position. Knowing John Mara, he'd probably fire anyone that purposely losses a game for any reason. It's totally against NFL rules. Brian Flores has a suit against several teams including the Giants and tanking implications are part of it, although not at the Giants. Does anyone think Brian Daboll would lose on purpose? Mara has fired 3 coaches in a row after just 2 seasons each. Would he lose on purpose and chance losing his job so he could get better players? What players do you think will tank? Many on the roster are not guaranteed to be here next year, so they're playing for their jobs or new contracts.   

Trading players that a team doesn't intend to re-sign is not tanking. It gives teams a chance to play younger players to give them experience and evaluate them. It also gets them some return before they lose them for nothing. The Williams trade could give Jordon Riley a chance to show what he can do. You think they want him to play poorly so they can get better draft position? You think he'd play poorly so the team can get better players? What was he, a 7th round pick? He's got a lot to prove to get a new, better contract after his rookie contract expires.

Until someone can prove that someone or ones are tanking, it's an insult to to say a team is tanking. I'm probably one of the most critical people of John and his father, but one thing I truly believe, neither would ever condone tanking.

1983 20-20 tie with the St Louis Cardinals. At night. Most boring game ever.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 30, 2023, 10:15:03 AMAfter 60 games we still need to evaluate Jones? At this point, he is what he is; the question remains, will the Giants be in a position to replace him next season?  That's the intrigue for the rest of this season. To Ed's point, I suspect the Giants have already concluded their evaluation, which is why he wasn't cleared until today...when they had no other options.

I want to see Jones play behind a decent line. He's never had consistent or adequate protection. If the regular starters all return, this could be the best line they've had since he got here and that's not saying much. Thomas is instant improvement, Pugh could be a decent step up at LG and Glowinski had been much better than his first few games. Schmitz needs to play and it's too soon to give up on Neal. You think a highly drafted QB would do better? Don't forget, the Giants have drafted only 2 top QB's since the draft was started in the 1930's, the Jets just 1 in over 60 years.

Really need to see him back with Thomas and Neal to evaluate for the rest of the season.

Quote from: VanPelt on October 29, 2023, 12:10:24 PMI guess I am just a grumpy guy, but my list of Jets I've liked is very short:

None

I just grew up with too many over-zealous Jets fans I guess

I think I just started out as a dumb kid.

Namath, Boozer, Snell, Maynard & Johnny Sample at the same time as Tarkenton & Jones (Homer, not Daniel). Giants took over after Namath fell apart. BVP, Mendenhall,Tucker and of course Ron Johnson. I did enjoy Curtis Martin.

Quote from: Ed Vette on October 27, 2023, 03:04:54 PMDo we really want Evan Neal on the field with a questionable ankle?

Never mind, don't answer that...

They need to see him and the regular starters out there as much as possible. Need to evaluate. Glowinski would be next to him and he seems to be playing better. A player drafted at his spot needs to be given every opportunity to show what he can do and improve.

Quote from: ozzie on October 27, 2023, 09:12:32 AMNot saying it was a great draft class, but what is the average length of an NFL career?
How many players get a 10+ year run?

The question is the average length of 1st & 2nd picks. 4-7th rounders and undrafted players are part of the average length. They probably bring down the average length considerably.

Looks like Jerry Reese had one of the four best picks. How many OL picks have the Giants made between Pugh and Thomas that made it? Richburg?

Quote from: TDToomer on October 23, 2023, 10:16:01 AMAcknowledging someone for breaking a color barrier whether it is for a team or an entire sport does not make anyone a bigot.

I didn't know there was a color barrier today or with the Giants.

Quote from: AYM on October 23, 2023, 01:27:59 PMLet's recall not too long ago - during the lifetimes of most of the posters in this forum - black people were considered by many to be too intellectually deficient to play the position. So it is a milestone worth noting.

Do they still feel that way? Times have changed and we need to move on, not dwell on the past.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 23, 2023, 12:12:20 PMJim,

I see you're from NJ.  October is Italian Heritage Month in NJ.  There are many parades and festivals honoring Italian heritage and accomplishments throughout the state.  Are the people participating in those events bigoted? (I don't think so, but I wanted to show this comparison.)

The Giants were created back in 1925.  It took 98 years for the Giants to start and win with a black QB.  Don't you think objectively that can be considered a historic accomplishment and one worthy of recognition?  If we can honor and remember the accomplishments of Italian Americans, can we not do the same for Americans who are black?

You're comparing apples to oranges. Blacks have their months and various nationalities have their festivals. How many Italians have played QB for the Giants? No one's going to care what nationality Tommy Devito is if he gets a chance.

 Let's honor people as athletes, period. Taylor's accomplishment has absolutely nothing to do with his color or heritage. This might've been a story on the 60's or 70's, but not today. Did the Giants ever have a black kicker. Will there be a thread the next time they do? How about a Jewish center or long snapper? 

98 year history? That makes it sound like the Giants ownership are bigots. No blacks were allowed to play in the 20's and 30's on any team. Eli Manning stood in the way of black QB's potentially starting games for the Giants for about 15 years, in fact he stood in the way of Jews, Hispanics and other white people starting for the Giants. They have had many, many black assistant coaches and a black GM. There have been black QB's all over the NFL for years now, why is this any different or special? This is why racism doesn't go away, because people have to point it petty little things like this.

Jason Sehorn was asked years ago what it was like to be a white guy playing a position played mostly by blacks? That wasn't a racial question? If one can't help but acknowledge that it's the first time a black did this or a woman was elected there, etc, you're not just pointing out that prejudge was rectified, you're pointing out it was there all along.

The question and what should be pointed out is, "Should the Giants back up QB continue to start when their regular starter comes back?". I don't think race will have anything to do with the choice. The story is the back up played a couple of very good games and now has the press and fans calling for him to have the starting job.

Why does anyone care what color or race a player is? In my opinion, the Giants started the best player available at QB yesterday. I think this is a poor subject for a thread. Yes, I could see he was black, but no one I was watching the game with said anything about it. This is the type of thing bigots acknowledge.