Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 19, 2024, 11:40:53 AMRecollections clearly vary on this point.

Which is fine but it is my firmly held belief that this was neither the vein or goal of the Jones signing thread.

But @LennG points out above. That faction were entirely correct. Which is ultimately meaningless, after all this is just a message board but it's good that the football acumen of those posters are validated with what they saw.

I suspect a large portion of the board remembers that infamous thread and agrees with your assessment. Many of the narratives from that discussion have proven to be wildly inaccurate, so it's no surprise that the originator is now trying to push a different version of reality. However, you, I, and Rambo were heavily involved in that thread and can likely recall the key details without much effort.  If any objective person recalls differently, please let me know.  I prefer to get it right, vice being right.

Quote from: LennG on November 19, 2024, 11:05:30 AMOk so no one really wants to say it, I will and I really don't care what some might think.
I Told You So.
I hated the pick right from that dreadful day whatever number of years ago. But as a fan I did root for Jones to be successful, week after week. I listened to all the excuses made for him and I rooted when I thought they were corrected.
In my mind I never ever believed Jones would be a franchise QB. I didn't just jump on the bandwagon, I was there from day one.
Yes he is a good guy, a hard worker but so are many players who just don't have the talent to make it in the NFL, why aren't you feeling sorry for them?
Being a good guy and a hard worker only carry you so far. Talent makes it in the NFL and Jones is devoid of what really makes a QB stand apart from his peers.
Do I wish him well, of course just anyplace other than on the Giants. Am I being cruel maybe but I feel I have wasted 6 years of my Giant life waiting on him to be good and all I get now is sorry for the guy.
Like the other QB we once had from Duke, glad you're leaving.

Lenn,

The arrogance, conceit, and bias exhibited by those who labeled us as "haters" make it impossible for them to acknowledge they were wrong. The most prominent figure in this group set the tone this offseason by proclaiming their evaluation process as superior and dismissing anyone who predicted DJ's trajectory as having arrived at that conclusion through sheer luck.

It's also intellectually dishonest to claim that the so-called "haters" failed to acknowledge DJ's subpar supporting cast. Most of us fully recognized that context while maintaining that a quarterback's abilities can still be evaluated independently of their environment. From my perspective, DJ's inability to quickly read defenses and make anticipatory throws into tight windows was always going to cap his potential.

Like you, I'm happy we're moving on and find the notion of "kicking DJ when's he's down" to be ridiculous and nothing more than a deflection...

Quote from: todge on November 18, 2024, 04:27:50 PMThis organization is an embarrassment and it's getting worse by the week.

If I'm Jones and his agent, I'm asking for anything to get out of this mess. What are the cap limitations for either trading or releasing Jones.

I'm embarrassed to be a Giants fan now.


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Who would realistically trade for Jones with his bloated contract? The man has zero trade value and is unlikely to be a starting quarterback next season. What you fail to understand is that Jones is the primary reason for the current "mess." Instead of his agent demanding the team get him out of this situation, they should be thanking them for giving a quarterback with limited talent a contract he never earned.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on November 18, 2024, 03:16:39 PMIs Tommy really drawing people to games in December when the team is 2-13?  I think he will be a draw for a few games.  If he has some success then yes I see people getting excited again, but if the defense doesn't win games for him (like last year) and his play is similar, I doubt anyone will be excited after 3 weeks. 

No, he's not, nor does it matter.  The NFL ticket exchange has made that point moot/updated.  Those seats will be filled, by Giants fans or fans of the away team. Just like FEDEX was always filled when the commanders had zero marketable players. 

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 18, 2024, 12:24:58 PMWow. It's completely over.

Phew.

As stated earlier in this thread, this represents the logical choice to avoid the pressure of reinserting him into any game.  It's over, as you perfectly stated, Ed

Quote from: Trench on November 18, 2024, 09:34:43 AMWhat team do you see Jones joining next season and what role would he play?

I see him thriving as a backup QB to an elite team like the Bills or Chiefs.

Mia as their backup...

Quote from: Gmo11 on November 18, 2024, 09:33:07 AMThe veteran backup would start if the goal was to win games.  The goal now is to evaluate the roster.  Nothing more nothing less.  Hyatt should play over slayton.  Neal should take every single snap the rest of the season if healthy.  If Dexter Lawrence pulls a hammy that requires 3 months to heal...so be it.  We need the young guys out there as much as possible to figure out if they are going to be part of the future or not.

Exactly - the focus is now on next year and beyond.  I think it's one of few false narratives that the Giants GM or HC jobs are in jeopardy this season, unless one of them has a meltdown akin to JJ. 

Quote from: TDToomer on November 18, 2024, 09:13:31 AMNext question. Who dresses as the #2 QB.

I suspect Lock; if it's me, I don't activate DJ.

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 09:10:43 AMI spoke on this before. They weren't looking for a backup QB that was capable of winning games because it would create a controversy. Mara needed to see that Jones is not the guy. Having someone on the bench that could actually win games would be counterproductive to improving the QB position.

This also isn't revisionist history; we spoke about this move in the offseason.  Again, it's obvious...

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 09:05:52 AMThis isn't a move to win games. It's a move to preserve cap space next year and position the team to get a high draft pick.

That's exactly what this move signals, Tim.  It's also obvious the Giants GM has assurance from the owner he'll be back.

Quote from: TDToomer on November 18, 2024, 09:02:15 AMWhat happened to BC?

Syanora Danny Pennies and Nickles.

Rightfully banned for pushing repetitive and bizarre narratives.  The banning was very much appreciated from this poster.  However, he was correct on this one point.

Quote from: T200 on November 18, 2024, 08:22:08 AM

It's the right time and the right move. Let Lock DeVito get the first team reps. If it looks like he's going to win a game, throw Jones back in.

Fixed it lol

Somewhere Blue Cruz is yelling "I told you so..."

This was the totally predictable, correct and inevitable move.  It's time to turn the page and FINALLY move forward. 

I think @Ed Vette and I were the few that wanted Bo; now, to be fair, I wanted to trade back to get him, which wouldn't have been possible.  For me, it was either Daniel or Nix. 

Quote from: MrGap92 on November 16, 2024, 12:09:44 PMA top 5 selection for a B Tier QB who will be 37 next year? Absolutely not

Moreover, a QB who has won exactly 1 playoff game in 13 years...no thank you. 

I'm struck by how many are evaluating the Barkley situation in isolation. While initial disappointment might be understandable, it's worth emphasizing that Tracy has proven to be a highly effective replacement at a fraction of the cost. If we extrapolate their performance metrics over a 17-game season, the differences fall within statistically insignificant margins. Moreover, Tracy's production has come despite operating behind a less effective offensive line and with a quarterback whose downfield passing capabilities are severely limited. Given these circumstances, the running back position appears to be in a strong and sustainable place.