Big Blue Huddle

Thanks for the FB video! With no cable I don't get much of anything here in the country. The only thing we really have is Netflix

Newp!  Just kidding Painter... Very well written and informative post.

Jian

 All true, at least according to history Worf. Not to worry I'm basing my account off of the same victors lol

. I'm only an amatuer historian, but America can be such an interesting subject historywise. That doesn't even begin to cover American football .........

 and just to stir things up some more for this new non political - political category........

Obama is not the first president to raise the question of whether or not he is a genuine US citizen...... back in the day there was many a frontier fistfight over Andrew Jackson birth papers ........ at least that was a time that you'd figure it would be hard to trace .....

 And if my memory serves T. Jefferson was the president that authorized Lewis & Clark for their expedition. Once you left the colonies you were in the wild. We're talking Ohio & Kentucky as the wilderness at that time .... That was someting that required foresight, and thought. No doubt he was a great American. As a great president he's 3rd or 4th on my list. ..... Of course, one of the colonies major nemesis at that time, was Tecumseh. Also a true American, no doubt a man among men. Back when most white men could not read, he could. During the French and Indian Wars, G. Washington was a Colonel. Tecumseh became a General in the British Army. To the best on my knowledge Tecumseh was the ONLY non Brit to attain the rank of General. What does that say about Americans ......(Dun bother me, I'm still decidin)

PS even though I choose to live up North I'm a born and raised American ....
 

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Lenny, I'll give ONE achievement that Jefferson had as President - THE LOUISIANA PURCHASE!

Ike's Interstate Highway system was actually built for the fast movement of military vehicles.  When the law was passed, it said the the military had first claim on the system.  I don't know if that's been rescinded or not.  If not, in a time of national emergency, I think the military could just claim the use for themselves.  I served my four years of active USAF duty during Ike's time as president.  I was stationed on a SAC base & we were knee deep in the Cold War.
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Quote from: JimboWHO on June 01, 2012, 01:52:53 PM

Quote from: madbadger on June 01, 2012, 01:17:18 PM
You guys realize that Lincoln was, for all intents and purposes, a tyrant. He saved the union and freed the slaves but he also stripped American citizens of their right to Habeus Corpus which allowed him to hold critics of his administration without due process. He also stripped some American citizens of their right to a jury trial and replaced it with military tribunals. Often those tribunals were so stacked in the governments favor that the defendant had no chance of being exonerated. Hundreds of citizens were sent to their deaths at the hands of those tribunals.

Lincoln was a complex man, both good and bad, but there is no way that a man who shredded the bill of rights and repudiated the ideas espoused in the Declaration of Independence should go down as our greatest President. I'd take Jefferson, Washington, Adams, Teddy Rex, Truman and Reagan before I'd even begin to consider where to place Lincoln.

The citizens' right to habeas corpus was protected but for the existence of a rebellion - the language in the Constitution was clear.  Lincoln relied upon that language and the fact that the fate of the U.S. hung in the balance.  The laws of war are different and the president-commander in chief must be allowed extraordinary latitude to interpret and use these laws as he sees fit.  This is how Lincoln, correctly it turns out, saw it.

We're talking about the bloodiest conflict this country ever fought, with outright rebellion in several key states.  Expecting some perfect human rights track record during what was likely the first incident of total war is naive.


JJM

As you can see this is what divides people about Lincoln. I believe he was the Best of all the President's, followed by G. Washington. Most of the presidents since Truman have stunk IMO. It's been mostly a steady decline since Truman ......

 Ya I loved Ron Johnson too. All heart. Not much other talent or heart on the team for most of his time playing  aka the dark years ...... Amazing to realize how good he would've been with a solid team around him. Many thanks to George Young for bringing the NY Giants out of their Dark Ages

 I remember OJ always killing the Giants when he played us. Seemed like he got 8,000 of those yards against the Giants. He came to the Giants and was the good soldier on the bench waiting for his turn. He did and said all the right things. When he finally got his chance, he didn't care that he was over-the-hill and washed up. He won his Superbowl MVP! He is one of my very favorite players. His nickame OJ is the only time I can think of, that some player following the original nicknamed player was better ....There were multiple LT's and Sugar Rays but the original was usually the best. Not so for Otis. He is my favorite Giant RB.

I would take OJ Anderson first if I could have him from the beginning .......... 

 Noticed the comparisons to Sinorce Moss here so I found another post on another site and here goes .............

" I hope your not talking about Sinorice Moss...lol He was all upside, and very little on field production...  Do u guys even know these things, before u write em down...lol


Sinorice Moss Career at Miami= 57rec 965yrd 9td /  7rush 55yrd 0td  Thats his career!!!

Jerrell Jerrnigan Sr yr alone      = 84rec 822yrd 6td/  45rush 322yrd 3td  Thats just his SR Yr!!!



Jerrnigan for his career=  232recept 3128yrd 18td / 132rush 892yrd 5td and he had at least 2td passes and i don't have his return numbers..."

I say at least see the guy on the field before making such unfavorable comparisons ..........

Have to say I'd love to have Brandon Graham on the team. Gotta luv those guys that don't let their lack of measurables stop them from being dominant players. Heart and desire mean as much as the measurables. How else to explain guys like Tom Brady et al .....