Big Blue Huddle

Thinking about how our defense has played so far, do you think Bowen was the right choice?

At this point, we should just get BPA in round 1 and get a QB in the 2nd round

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 17, 2024, 08:35:19 AMRecently, I heard Todd McShay say if you want a quarterback with an elite ceiling, they need to have either elite arm talent or elite running ability (to scare defenses).  Otherwise, you are talking a ceiling like Geno Smith or maybe Joe Burrow.

I thought there was some good wisdom in that.

I would add a third element to the FBI field. Intelligence, as I use it here, goes beyond the usual. What I am talking about is reading opposing defenses, processing quickly, and having good pocket awareness and calmness under pressure (along with not making bone-headed mistakes).

In terms of QB prospects, I am not discounting the importance of development and QB support, but I believe those are the three key elements that will help QB succeed.

I will throw in a fourth element:  Intangibles. However, I believe that a lack of good intangibles will sink a QB, but being elite in the intangibles doesn't contribute significantly to success.  Intangibles include size, work ethic, leadership, durability, and off-the-field issues.

To circle back, if you draft a QB with elite talent in one of the three areas, they are more likely to achieve success and reach the elite level.  Obviously, the more areas, the better.   Of course, the other two areas can't be deficits.   I think you can also get a pretty good NFL QB if they are very good (just short of elite) in all three areas.

That is the lens I am viewing this QB class.  I will add that I do expect traits to produce on the field; I can't overlook (but it's not a huge factor) a QB's college production.

Based on that lens prospects that intrigue me:

Ward-  Near elite arm and pretty good in the other areas

Milroe-  Elite legs, strong arm, needs work on the mental.

Allar (assuming he declares)-  Elite arm and strong legs


What do you look for when you are evaluating QB prospects?  What's important? What are you willing to give up?

Starting to think Allar might not declare and wait until 2026 draft. I really like the kid.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 16, 2024, 08:58:27 PMHe was pretty impressive today.

Ed...... i've agreed with a lot of the stuff you said about other quarterback prospects throughout the years. I ask you to look at some of his other tape on other games. This kid seems like he's getting better and better. He actually looks at his progressions...... He looks like he can read defenses and he seems like he can view the entire field. I don't know if he's a day one starter, but sitting him for a good portion of next year would probably pay dividends. In the right hands, I think you could be something pretty damn good in this league and you cannot teach 6 foot five. He's got the Proto typical body of a quarterback you want. Very cerebral

Quote from: Jclayton92 on November 16, 2024, 06:31:23 PMJust based on the casual tape you've seen on him would you sign up for us using our top pick on the best available prospect likely an elite corner and grabbing Milroe at the top of the 2nd or at the end of the 1st. Because I think I would currently, he's got the legs, and he has a cannon for an arm, he's fearless. He's just raw and I think Daboll could mold him, and legs/cannon translate regardless of competition.

Give me the elite corner and then Drew Allar at the top of the 2nd. I would LOVE to see what Daboll could do with him

Drew Allar had a good game 247 yards and 3 TDs. I would be happy if the Giants traded back, got more draft capitol and took Aller at the back end of round 1, let him sit for part of the season, have him watch a vet play (Mariota, Dalton, Taylor)

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 16, 2024, 08:22:21 PMRick says he starts to see ghosts when the pocket gets messy

I am more concerned about his injuries

Quinn Ewers is the gut I would go after.

Absolutely NOT. Keep our 1st round and get the best player available and in round 2 Drew Allar

I dont care for Ward at all. Every game I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Give me Quinn Ewers OR Shedeur Sanders



late 1ST ROUND OR 2ND ROUND Drew Allar (he must sit the entire year or play late into the 2025 season) The more I see of Allar, the more I am liking

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 05:36:45 PMMy problem with this is it's hard enough to get a good QB in round one. Think of all the busts in the first round over the years. Now realize that the odds of getting a good QB on day two go down that much more (even with taking time to develop said QB). Meanwhile, in the 2nd round you're passing on what will likely be a high quality player at another position.

The Jints have been down the path of going for day 2 and day 3 QBs before. We've ended up with guys like Ryan Nassib, Davis Webb, and Kyle Lauletta when we have done that.

Obviously I get that it's not impossible to get a good QB on day two. I know all the examples. It's a matter of probability, and also a matter of passing on a high quality prospect at another position.

While I agree QBs are a crap shoot. Sadly we have gotten to a point that we need to take some sort of chance. IF we do not go for a QB in round 1, then we should at the very least get the best QB available in round 2

IMO if any of these men guys are here Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart we should give it try. LET them sit for one full year and learn from whomever in under center


As far as the three we drafted in the later rounds

Kyle Lauletta 4th round

Davis Webb  3rd round

Ryan Nassib  4th round



I think its fair to say 2nd round prospects have a better chance of succeeding than the very late round guys mentioned above.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 15, 2024, 02:37:26 PMTo me, the approach to the QB situation for next year is (or should be) pretty straightforward:

If they are in a position to draft a first round QB that they are high on, they should absolutely do it.

They SHOULD NOT draft a first round QB they are only lukewarm on, simply because of need.

In the event that they do not draft a QB, they should sign a veteran free agent for what will clearly be much less money than they're paying Jones (and likely better performance than what he delivered in 2023 and 2024).

If they end up with a veteran, they can then reassess their situation at the end of the 2025 season.

As an aside, if they do not draft a QB in this upcoming offseason, I would like to see them try to shift draft capital from 2025 to 2026, so as to augment their ability to trade up in 2026 should they want to.

I dont want to reach in round 1, but I would love to see a QB drafted in round 2, someone that can sit for a full season and learn behind a vet, someone like Garrett Nussmeier , Drew Allar or Jaxson Dart

Is there any way you could see the Giants going after Jon Gruden? Especially after the accusations made by Brian Flores? I for one think Gruden would be an upgrade to what we currently have.


"I'm telling you right now, (I made a) couple calls last night — I can confirm that he definitely wants to get back in. One hundred percent," Esiason said. "I can also confirm, and I believe this to be true — this is, again, my opinion after speaking to at least two different people that are involved in coaching searches and things of that nature — that there are teams that are interested in him."

"If it's not this year, it's definitely next year. But he's coming back. He's definitely coming back.


https://www.si.com/nfl/raiders/news/breaking-raiders-antonio-pierce-names-starting-qb-01jckd9735dc

Quote from: sxdxca38 on November 14, 2024, 06:53:43 PMThe team needs a powerful run stopper in the middle, so DL

and another powerful offensive lineman.

100% agree. Look when big sexy is out due to rest, our defense is totally different. A run stopping DT is a big need

Without a doubt we need a QB, but moving forward for next year...what is the 2nd greatest need for the Giants? I am torn between a guard or a CB.

For me I would address the secondary. Shavon Revel Jr. I am looking right at you (ACL injury) might slide to the 2nd round