Big Blue Huddle

Since I have NFL premium plus, I was able to rewatch the Vikings vs Rams game.

Here are my thoughts on Darnold.

He was good in the 1st quarter; I think he completed his first 7 passes.

However, quarters two through four, the Rams began to get pressure on him, and he became unrattled as they got inside his head.

He held on to the ball too long a few times and had some inerrant throws and also an interception.

Because of the Giants offensive line being so bad, I do not recommend signing Darnold in the offseason as I think the pressure playing in NY combined with a bad O line is going to expose him. I don't think he will put up the same numbers here as he did in Minnesota, in fact it could be a hard fail.

Secondly, if the Vikings franchise him, then that would be the best for both sides. He'd get a chance to repeat his solid performance in 2025 and then try to sign with a team that has a good O line to protect him.

Unfortunately, that is not with the Giants, and I agree with the other posters who have recommended they either draft a QB this year, or sign a cheap bridge gap QB now, and draft their next QB in 2026.

Even though I like Darnold I don't think signing him to the Giants is a good move.

However, that is just my opinion. 

I'm fearing we may see Barkley and the Eagles in the Super Bowl this year.

I'm hoping that doesn't happen.

Quote from: T200 on January 11, 2025, 10:59:39 PMTwo of those went through and off his receivers hands. Not on him.

Thanks, I didn't watch the game, just looked at the stats.

However, two picks in one playoff game is still quite a lot for him considering he only threw 3 the entire year.

Justin Herbert threw more interceptions (4) in one playoff game than he threw the entire year (3).

Thus, the reason for the loss.

If this is true that Mara has put a mandate on Schoen and Daboll, that it is either playoffs or bust, and if they miss the playoffs your fired is the worst thing he could have done.

Now Schoen and Daboll will be panicking and stressed out to get a QB, instead of taking their time and finding the right QB at the right time.

This can lead to multiple disastrous situations.

A) They give up a boat load of 1st and 2nd rd picks to move up to get either Sanders or Ward, who most are saying are not franchise QB's.

or

B) They panic and sign an either aging or slightly above average QB to an insane contract so that they have someone who can start as a last-ditch effort to save their jobs.

Either way this is not the most efficient way to address the most important position.

The best time to find your next franchise QB is either.

A) Tank the season in a loaded QB draft to get your guy, (see 2024) without giving up the farm.

or

B) Developing a QB slowly when you already have a franchise guy at the helm.

or

C) Signing a franchise QB in his prime and you know he wants to come to your team and will thrive in your system.

I am now fearing that 2025 may be even worse than 2024, especially if the team wins too many games, doesn't make the playoffs, and once again has no shot and drafting an elite QB coming out in the draft.

However, these are just my thoughts and opinions.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 02, 2025, 10:17:31 AMHe made it as an alternate, I believe

And you are absolutely correct, Nabers was selected as a pro bowl alternate this year.

Quote from: MrGap92 on January 02, 2025, 10:17:31 AMHe made it as an alternate, I believe

Nice, that's good to hear.

Also, Bobby Okereke who they signed in 2023 also had a big year, I believe over 149 tackles at the LB position, and many thought he got snubbed for the pro bowl that year.

So that may be two right there.

Quote from: killarich on January 01, 2025, 11:42:36 PMIm with you man.... I was an avid Jones defender up until this season


With that being said comparing 2022 Jones is not and nowhere near the same as Darnold this season

Jones in 2022 was a good season and I'd gladly have that...... But I don't see how anyone can say its the same as what Darnold is doing now

It may very well be a 1 year fluke ..... But in the end its still 1 full 17 game season of damn near Top QB play

Jones was 1 year of safe, good and efficient play, and I was a Jones guy

Thank you, and I agree with pretty much everything you said.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 02, 2025, 09:08:23 AM3 seasons and Schoen and Daboll have yet to acquire a single Pro Bowl player for the team

May I add Malik Nabers is pretty special, maybe he will emerge

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 01, 2025, 09:03:55 PMSo then what were you doing the past two plus years pumping us with obscure mythical Jones Stats to try and force us to get on your Jones train if you knew he was a reach. I remember on 10 occasions at minimum where I brought Jones subpar college career that was largely ignored by you. Also didn't Jones have a top 12 QBR in 2022?

So tell me again how Darnold differs from the Jones situation? Just because he had on more lip stick coming out of college than Jones doesnt make him any better. Darnold lucked into an already established offensive system with elite weapons, and the Vikings still took Mccarthy, only the injury to him got Darnold to play.

Because I never once compared Daniel Jones' college career to Sam Darnold's as they are mutually exclusive.

I originally hated the Daniel Jones pick, but after being drafted by the Giants and seeing his preseason campaign in 2019, I began to defend him because he was a Giant now, as I do with many other players on the team.   

Secondly, you may not be aware of this, but you just contradicted yourself by saying "obscure mythical Jones Stats" and then bring out by your own words he had a top 12 RTG in 2022.

Finally, may I ask why you ignored the Baker Mayfield contract that he received after only one good year with the Bucs in 2023?

I'll leave you with this, as I stated in my previous response, that we will just have to see what happens with Darnold and his contract once the year is up.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 01, 2025, 02:47:02 PMI think ppl are falling in that Jones trap again, one year outta 6 or how many he's played. That's like trusting your money to an investor that's lost money every year but one. Just not wise with how inept this team is.

I get what you're saying, however I think there is a clear distinction between Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold.

Darnold was taken with the 2nd overall pick in 2018 in a loaded QB class.

Daniel Jones was a reach and was never viewed as talented as Darnold coming out of college.

Furthermore, here are a few of Darnold's stats this year.

He's ranked 4th in yardage.

5th in TD's.

13th in QBR.

5th in RTG.

He's in the top 5 in more than a few of the major categories.

Daniel Jones best year in 2022 was nowhere close to what Darnold is putting up this year.

However, it will be interesting to see if he is able to string together multiple years like this one.

On another note, Baker Mayfield had one solid year in 2023, and the Bucs re-signed him for a 3 year 100-million-dollar contract, and he's proving them right.

Will have to see what happens with Darnold.

Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 08:10:43 PMWhat's the point of your pedantic question?  Are you accusing the Giants of having a low IQ for 'failing' to lose todays game?  You've had some hot takes over the years, but this may be your best.

I haven't put you down in any of this, however not once but twice you took the liberty to put me down.

First with your calling my question "pedantic" and not answering it.

Second, then putting me down a second time using the expression "your hot takes" and "this may be your best."

Once again, I haven't done that to you, but you did it to me.

So instead of answering my original question, which was, "Is having the overall #1 pick more valuable than the 4th overall pick?

You decided to put me down and personally attack me.

And I know why you did it, because if you honestly had answered the question, it would have refuted you, and you cannot have that.

I won't be responding to you anymore.

Quote from: kingm56 on December 29, 2024, 07:31:20 PMThe claim that Joe Schoen has a low IQ based on something you think he'll do is not only speculative but also unfair given his tenure as the Giants' general manager. Schoen has consistently demonstrated a disciplined, future-focused approach since taking the helm. He inherited a challenging cap situation and a roster with significant holes, yet he resisted the temptation to make splashy, short-sighted moves that could jeopardize the team's long-term goals.

Schoen's management style thus far emphasizes building through the draft, strategic free agency signings, and maintaining financial flexibility. His unwillingness to mortgage the Giants' future for immediate but fleeting success has already earned him a reputation as a calculated and patient decision-maker.  To assume that he'll suddenly abandon this philosophy and act recklessly is baseless. There's no evidence in his track record to suggest he's inclined to trade away valuable future assets for short-term gain.

It's hard to argue that the Giants are on a good trajectory with a 3-13 record this season, but it's important to consider the bigger picture. If anything, Schoen has shown a commitment to sustainable growth, even if the results haven't materialized on the field yet. His methodical restructuring of the Giants' roster and salary cap has laid the groundwork for future stability, though it's clear there's still a long way to go.  Yet, his 2024 draft is objectively the best in the NFL. The foundation is FINALLY there for future success.

Criticizing him based on a hypothetical move that runs counter to his demonstrated philosophy doesn't account for the challenges he inherited or the deliberate process he's undertaken. While the record is undoubtedly disappointing, Schoen's approach shows prudence and an understanding that building a consistently competitive team often requires time, patience, and a willingness to endure short-term struggles for long-term gain.  Hell, he may have severe reservations concerning Ward and Sanders. We simply don't know. To date, his biggest blunder has been resigning DJ, which is a move YOU FULLY SUPPORTED. Yet, he was smart enough to give himself a 2-year out.   In short, I don't believe Schoen will act irrationally this draft.

The Giants coming into today had the #1 overall pick.

Now as it stands, they have the 4th overall pick, with a 3-13 record.

Simple question:

Is the #1 overall pick more valuable and better to have than the 4th overall pick?

Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on December 29, 2024, 06:32:33 PMSchoen trades up and pisses the entire fan base off

Yep, he at this point is beyond desperate. He will be panicking because there is no way he will be allowed to go into 2025 without a starting QB and survive till 2026.

He will sell the franchise's future down the river to get the QB he desperately needs. Mortgaging a plethora of 1st rd picks for a QB he could have easily had if the Giants lost the last two games.

Unbelievable

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on December 29, 2024, 06:47:49 PMYes. This is my biggest concern right now.

Doc,

I feel the exact same way as you do, I'm beyond upset. A total lack of people with low I.Q. running the organization.