Big Blue Huddle

I am sorry to hear this. Praying for you, Weezer.
I wish you peace

Jerry Jones wants a "Yes Man" for his HC. Jerry thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and that's the reason he won't hire a real GM. Who ever he hires is going to have to realize that JJ is going to be calling the shots.

I was going to add this show to this thread, but you beat me to it.
Fun show.

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 30, 2024, 05:17:15 PMI don't want to change your mind, not what I am trying do

But genuine question, how can we judge a QB guru, if he has not gotten anything to work with?

If you put lipstick on a pig, its still a pig. Shouldn't they give him a piece of clay that is more moldable or of higher quality before canning him?

QB Gurus arent going to make anyone good, the ability and talent still has top be there for them to "unlock" it, or at the very least to some extent. no?

A fair question and my reply is that Josh Allen was supposedly inaccurate and somewhat of a risk coming from a smaller school. Daboll was credited with turning him into the QB he has become. I have seen zero improvement in Jones since Daboll has coached him and for someone getting props as some kind of QB whisperer I expected better. OK, maybe Jones isn't talented enough to become  top 5 QB, but he should have improved at least a little under Daboll.
Wasn't that supposed to be one of the perks when they hired him?

Quote from: AZGiantFan on October 30, 2024, 01:31:23 PMI think this might be an oversimplistic view.  People's judgement changes over time.  For myself, I started out as a supporter of Jones, although I wasn't fooled by the smoke and mirrors of 2022. But I completely agreed with Mara (and still do) that the Giants had done everything possible to screw him up.  I wanted to see how he'd do with at least average OL support and a good weapon.  This season was that chance. 

Daboll hindered that with his ridiculous preseason that sent him out in game 1 with only one half of live game time after being out nearly a year.  But the rust did come off, quicker than I expected, and he had a few decent games.  But then he didn't continue that.  After those decent games I wanted to wait until the end of the season to draw a conclusion.

But at this point I am below 10% chance of anything positive happening.  And if they decide to sit him to avoid triggering the injury clause I'd not quibble.  Because the worst possible case would be a double whammy of him getting a severe injury, killing the CAP for next year, coupled with Locke/DeVito/FA QB coming in and winning a few games and killing their draft position. 

Although I am also utterly skittish of the Giants' ability to find and draft a QB and develop him.  I don't know if Daboll really can be a QB guru, because it doesn't seem like he's done much for Jones.  And beyond that I have little confidence in his ability as a coach, from his mismanagement of the preseason to his volatile outbursts to his penchant for putting certain players in his doghouse.  Essentially he's shown me nothing.

AZ, I heartily agree with your first four paragraphs and couldn't have said it better myself.
I too, was a supporter of Jones and also thought this was the "prove it" year for him. Unfortunately,, he hasn't proven it and I admit after this season it's time to pull the plug.
But I'm ok though with Schoen so far. First time GM who learned from Beane in Buffalo, I knew there would be bumps and misfires along the way, but I think he has made some good picks and will get better.
Thus far I am not impressed with the supposed QB Guru we have as a HC.

I do like the idea of keeping the QB pipeline flowing with a mid-round pick every couple of drafts. you never know who is going to become a star / franchise QB. I have no problem with letting that pick sit a couple of seasons to learn and grow into the position and become a leader. Not sure I would do it on a first rounder though unless there was a better than average chance they were going to pan out. Once you get an established guy in there then yes, by all means, look for the next QB to lead the team.
Now a days too many people seem worried about having to win while your QB is on his "Rookie Deal" and I think that is part of the problem. These kids don't get a chance to learn, develop and mature. They are rushed into being #1 and the majority of them aren't quite ready.
I think Green Bay is an excellent example, as Brownie pointed out. Even Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith for a season or two. I think that is a big help in a young QB's development.

I'll also mention that Game #1 both this season and last this team was nowhere near ready to compete, getting blown out and embarrassed both times. I wasn't expecting wins, but at least have your team prepared.
Instead the Giants started the last two seasons with soul crushing defeats, setting the mood for the rest of the season.
That lies with the Head Coach.

Combination of both I believe. Roger's doesn't seem to have the same magic he used to have. I think Father Time is creeping up on him.

Here in the Dallas area I'm watching Philly vs Cincy on CBS

I already have it set to record!

Gabrielle would be my choice.

My thoughts exactly on MLB. I'll admit, I have watched a few innings of both the Mets & Yanks respective series this past week, but that is more baseball than I have watched in decades. Like you, I used to love it, but for all the reasons you mentioned above, I've just lost interest. With that being said....Go Yankees!

Right, but Daboll was supposed to turn him into Josh Allen.

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on October 20, 2024, 03:52:56 PMFire the entire coaching staff and sit Jones until you can release him in the offseason.

Bring in BB who will no doubt tell Johnny to sit down and shut up.

Keep Schoen but Bill has final say.

I'm DONE with inept, unwatchable football!!


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I like this idea

I'm not saying Jones isn't a problem and I really wish the Giants could get off the coaching carousel, but I don't think Daboll is the answer. He's supposedly an offensive guru and some kind of QB whisperer, but the offense sucks and Jones has not progressed at all under his tutelage.
This team never looks to be prepared to play and now we have questions about a lack of effort.
Mid-October and once again, the season is about over.