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So we've now become the Bucs of old or the Lions & redskins, while they have or starting to flourish. This is so tiring to watch and listen to. Same song and dance.

I liked him before he joined the Giants. Solid runner and get the yards you need and break it on occasion as e did at the end of yesterdays game, but he has to hold onto the football. Otherwise it is a different story.

Think he should be in as first ballot but perception becomes reality and it will probably happen at some point.

Agreed, Gray is a hit or miss on returns, so better find another, can't have a 50/50. I like Devin, but he has to take a lesson from Tiki when near/in traffic.

And they better keep searching for a kicker, whether this new guy is it or not, better keep looking. 1 game lost because of no kicker can't play games with that.

Quote from: Ed Vette on September 22, 2024, 10:07:17 AMIf they can make any headway this week against the Browns who also have a struggling Offense and come close or beat the Cowboys who had their asses kicked by the Saints, then this thing pivots around. This year I'd rather face Dallas than the Saints this week.
Perspective...
You guys see doom and gloom and I see opportunity.

it is getting closer to doom and gloom, but there is still a light of hope. This week could potentially be a turning point of the season. 2-2 vs 0-4 going into a hard part of our schedule as well. If we are 1-3 then eh, another muddy pool.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 16, 2024, 08:03:39 AMGame one- tells the Giants staff Gunner is healthy (after a groin injury), and the guy reinjured his groin in warmups.

Game two- Ronnie tells the Giants Gano it is good to go to game two.  Reporters observe Gano moving gingerly in warmups, and then he gets hurt (supposedly with a hamstring) in the opening kickoff.

The Giants have consistently been one of the most injured teams (with players taking forever to return and often reinjuring themselves upon their return) for over the past decade.

If the Giants ever want a chance to compete, they need to retire Ronnie Barnes instead of putting him in the ring of honor.

Been saying this for a long time, maybe a decade if not more. He should have been gone long ago. Our team is always injured, with maybe several exceptions through the decade plus.

The all are proud of him, but I don't see how/why. One change that should've made and never did that costs the team.

That valued run defense that was suppose to joining us with Bowen is no where to be seen. At least Dru and Nubin are impressive rookies.

2 delay of games not called, that first Defensive PI call was BS, turned his head around and actually offensive player had his hands over Jacksons face.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 07, 2024, 02:30:46 PMI totally agree with this point Matt. Football should never come before family, and I don't love that the NFL is spreading out to more and more days of the week either.

However, as far as London and other Europe games (eg Munich) go, they tend to be on Sunday mornings. This push to other days of the week seems to not only be because of the desire to have more international games. Thursday night games are never international. Last night was the first time I can recall a night international game. I think it may have been the first Friday night game too.

Over-saturation can be a problem. But their games in UK and Germany are on Sunday just a few hours earlier, which isn't bad, but having them on so many days, I agree can be a bit much.

Normally I only care about my team and watch them. If there happens to be another game worthy to watch or impacts my team I may then watch, but otherwise, watching all the games to me isn't a big deal.

I use to have Sunday ticket and watch as many of the games I could, but that is done. I may have to still get Sunday ticket just to watch the Giants, seeing as I moved to Florida nearly two year ago. Luckily (even though they were bad) last year, they were on local tv for about 8-10 games for me.

I think getting the game out to the world like soccer and basketball as an example is great for the sport, as long as my team doesn't have to go lol.

From reports on training camp last season and this one. Reporters were saying they went very light last year to try to keep the players healthy. Obviously a ton on injuries.

This year they went much harder so we will see if it makes a difference, plus luck is a factor as well. But we still need quality depth in the worse case scenario.

Quote from: MightyGiants on September 07, 2024, 08:19:30 AMI am going to share my full opinion of Daniel Jones.

I agree with John Mara when he admitted the team has done everything possible to screw the man up.   I don't believe it's possible to accurately scout a quarterback under terrible conditions.   It's similar to scouting college QBs.   I think most would agree that, based on track record, scouting college QBs is a crap shoot.

As to Daniel Jones, I am less than optimistic (a bit less than 50/50) at this point.  Between a screwed-up professional development and beatings that can leave even strong men with post-traumatic stress, it's concerning if DJ will ever reach his full potential.  Beyond that, I have very serious concerns about his ability to stay healthy.  I appreciate his lack of protection contributed to his injuries, but as Gettleman said, "hurt guys get hurt."

I don't pretend to be able to predict the future. My best guess for this season (assuming a positive outcome) is that DJ will start out slow. Between needing to get used to playing with NFL-calibre protection, so many new receivers, and a new play-caller, it will take time for DJ to get comfortable. Assuming he (and key offensive elements) can stay healthy, the million-dollar question will be what DJ's ceiling will prove to be.

Pretty much agree. Giants ruined him as the Texans ruined Carr. Now can he rebound, we shall see. If unfortunately he can't he will be gone or a stop gap, but it was the Giants doing as they ruined the end of Elis career with that shitty oline since right about SB 46. Unreal it took more than a decade to still to try to get one thing done correctly.

DJ will either start fairly fast or as you said, potentially slow and steady. Depends on the oline, his weapons and trust in the whole of it all.

When giants players leave I always want the best for them if they were good teammates, unless you obviously face us in a game.

But when you join a division rival it has more weight and implications (good for him that he played well) but I hope every game he sucks in it because it benefits the giants in the long run.

He had a chance to stay, but wanted more money (which is good for him & no issues there) which would hurt the giants getting all the pieces they were able to because he left. Bigger issue was also his injuries.

This was only game 1, lets see how it looks as the season goes on.

Either way, Giants made the right move. If they could have met in a good spot for both I would have been glad we had him back, but in the end it didn't happen.

Quote from: londonblue on September 06, 2024, 12:51:52 PMWe go as far as DJ takes us. It is not unreasonable to doubt his ability to carry the load but it does seem odd not to sincerely hope he proves us wrong. Him succeeding would be the quickest and least disruptive path to being competitive. Unlikely? Probably. Desirable? Definitely.

If DJ fails there is no guarantee that whoever we draft or sign or trade for next year will do better than DJ in our environment. There is a tendency to assume a new QB will fix us but we, like most of the NFL, have more QB misses than hits on our resume. Hope is intoxicating but often ephemeral.

Well said. As they say, grass is always greener on the other side.

Quote from: kingm56 on September 06, 2024, 11:33:09 AMWe/Us?  I'm curious, who represents "we" and "us"?  Your choice to use those pronouns indicates you feel comfortable to speak for others and/or have aligned to specific affiliation/group; thus, giving credence to H-town's post.  BTW, when not explicitly tied to religion/politics, the term sect is not a pejorative.  It simply means "a group adhering to a distinctive doctrine or leader."  You clearly see yourself as part of a group, hence the pronouns "we" and "us." So, it appears the term sect is appropriate in this context...

To the OP - it was a well-articulated post; although, I fundamentally disagree that a professional NFL team needs 6 years and 77 games to determine the capabilities of their starting QB. Nevertheless, you're correct in this is his last chance...your post was very well done, sir.

Thanks, but not sure you saw the comparison in numbers between Trevor Lawrence and DJ, pretty much identical, yet perception becomes reality as it did with Eli. And generally I agree (besides outliers) it shouldn't take going into his 6th year to know, but when in context as some of the issues mention in my initial post, then it can be understandable. Trust me I want a healthy top tier QB so we can enjoy winning again. Even the top qbs can't work behind a ranked 31-32 oline. It actually be interesting to know how well teams that had those ranked lines faired in their season as a light comparison.

I was around with Kent Graham, Dave Brown and Danny Kanell. I gave them all some, but as you could see somewhat quickly, that they didn't have it at a certain point. Yet when Collins came over I felt we finally had a chance and he got us to the SB.