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What was the insult?

Crony is....
: a close friend usually of long standing : pal
played golf with his cronies
often, specifically : a person who unfairly receives special treatment

Stubborn is unreasonably or perversely unyielding : mulish

No I don't agree.

Jones will be here. If these posters are not Mara's cronies themselves or just stubborn Jones supporters; I can almost assure you this is how Mara is thinking.

Then there was this play that instead of being a TD resulted in a touchback. I guess that means Rodgers gets a pass on throwing anymore TDs in Met life for like 2 years?  

https://twitter.com/i/status/1852154314405355819

So you will move on from a back up QB making 40 mil a year if, and only if, a generation talent at QB falls into our lap and/or we're picking 1st in the draft.    

Are penalties and drops unique to Jones. And do not bring up Eli ; it has nothing to do with Eli. We've had multiple QBs play here and they all resulted in losing games for many years now. eli did in fact play on some bad coached teams and bad football teams toward the end of his career I am not convinced Jones has though; at least not this year.

https://x.com/Stephen_Douglas/status/1852169488805904445?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1852169488805904445%7Ctwgr%5E8598a13ca984a314329c774dbd4c89f79335d9a1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.si.com%2Fnfl%2Faaron-rodgers-look-complete-disbelief-after-davante-adams-dropped-pass

Still throws more TDs in a half aat Metlife than Jones has in 2 years, A 40 year old playing the Jets!

Quote from: sxdxca38 on November 01, 2024, 08:39:16 AMOnce again, that's an uncalled for statement.

Maybe so but, we can't understand the glaringly obvious fact that Daniel Jones play has been sub par, and yet his apologists continue to shell for him. THere is no other explanation besides Mara's nephew doing this or stubborness on the past of Jones supporters;  and also Mara's stubborness as well.. Yes there is more to it than just Daniel Jones himself. There is playcalling , and coaching, and lack of effort and performance from skill positions and how the defense plays and how the oline plays.

But there is not a significant problem with those other areas. At least not as glaringly obvious as Jones.

That last drive was picture perfect Daniel Jones career and why he sucks.

He has the ball and all I was thinking was "he is going to throw and interception". But he fumbled instead. They get the ball back and again I am like "he is going to throw an int this time" And guess what he does???

Last Sunday I watched a Jacoby Brisset on his like 7th team lead his team down the field ; a back up QB mind you ; to game winning TD against a overrated but nontheless decent Jets defense.

When was the last time Jones did that?

And you never answer the question-- where is Jones ranked like top 10 so he's in the Kirk COusins range? (no he is not!!!!). Even though his cap hit is! 

Quote from: Giant Jim on October 31, 2024, 05:47:13 PMMcAdoo came here in 2014 to run a west coast offense. He was the play caller in 2014 and 2015.

Double digit leads and the the offense couldn't take time off the clock.

This is too funny! The brilliant Ben Mcadoo who had a Baker who had Darnold ; who started PJ Walker and has done a whole heap of nothing!!!!! for YEARS since leaving here; but yea that Ben Mcadoo .... he was the reason why a 2 X SB MVP; who put up top 5-6 QB stats ; who beat a goat in SB not once but twice; who would think that that guy actually had a good year in 2015???? I mean one of Phil Simms best years as a QB was when he was north of 30 it just happens.

I can only see it now 10 years from now ... "you know i was right ; Daniel jones in his rookie year was a great QB ... everyone ruined him.... I was right " Meanwhile he's going to be the Mcadoo equivalent of being like a 3rd stringer on Eagles soon and fpr a long time.

Quote from: Giant Jim on October 31, 2024, 02:47:14 PMManning made the pro bowl with McAdoo's short pass offense. He improved his completion % and lowered his interceptions by throwing shorter passes. He also padded his stats by completing passes in the middle of the field when losing and the side lines the few times when they needed to kill the clock. Great stats for Fantasy Football and the Pro Bowl, but only good enough for about 6 wins.

Just like in the 60's, the last super bowl team lost many players and the team tried to patch up here and there instead of tearing down and building a foundation. It didn't help that so many draft picks were busts or played positions that are usually filled last.

1. Mcadoo was not the coach
2. Eli did not pad stats in garbage time or whatever because they were losing a bunch of games .

Giants lost 6 games in which they held leads or were tied within the final 2 minutes. They held double digit leads in the 4th QTR in 2 of them.

You know I wish these DJ fans would come out and say ; I know that Daniel Jones is as good as a legit top 10 QB like Kirk COusins , and be done with this. I suspect this is just like Mara who really see something in this bum. They don't want to do that because it would draw guffaws and an instant illustration of stats and numerous examples  of actual QB play, and accomplishments, that contradicts it.

Quote from: kingm56 on October 31, 2024, 02:24:24 PMThe Giants have been trying to divorce themselves from Daniel Jones for the last three years; they chose not to pick up his fifth year option, but we're saddled with the worst quarterback draft class in 30 years.  The year following, they miraculously made the playoffs and were once again outside the range to draft his replacement. In 2023, they won three meaningless games and once again found themselves outside the range to draft a viable replacement; however, they did try to trade up, but the price was too high.  It's absolutely clear the Giants' brass never believed in DJ; he's still our QB as a byproduct of bad luck. Outside of 2022, I don't prescribed to the John Mara meddling theories.

Again if you are serious about a QB competition and moving on from Jones there was the free agent market. Plenty of good QBs could have been picked up for a song Russ Wilson , Baker , Darnold , even Carson Wentz or even re-signing Tyrod. Pretty much all are better than Jones.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 31, 2024, 01:51:51 PMActually I don't think this is factually correct.

If the Giants had a chance to draft Jayden Daniels or Caleb Williams, I think they would have taken either one and moved on from DJ.

The issue was that neither player was available to the Giants to draft last year, even in a trade.

So because of that they stuck with DJ and drafted Nabers, but make no mistake, if their was an elite QB prospect available to them they would have drafted him.

How do you know that? So if an elite QB prospect falls into their lap they are taking it otherwise just ride the wave with Daniel JONES when all 3 teams needed a QB so there was 0 chance of that happening; when you are picking 6?

Also, there were plenty of free agents available why not sign them, if you're serious about a different QB; when the first 3 top prospects got drafted exactly like everyone thought?

Quote from: coggs on October 31, 2024, 12:39:04 PMIf they were really interested in the best chance of winning, they would not have told Wilson that he would be the back-up if he signed here.  Nothing wrong with saying he would start as the #2 on the depth chart, but had the opportunity to take over as #1.

Giants are not interested in a QB competition. Thet interested in Daniel Jones being here as the starting QB; helping him out with other players to make it easier for him; and doing the right thing by him. They are clearly in love with the guy. Trubisky was the closest thing to any serviceable starting QB that could have taken Jones job. And he didn't want it because Jones was here. All of these things are not coincidence.

Quote from: Giant Jim on October 31, 2024, 12:14:32 PMGood point, but for many QB's, one season on the bench could be worth it. The Giants could've drafted a QB when it became apparent they needed to rebuild and traded Manning. Instead, they kept Manning to the very end of his career, were forced to draft his replacement the year they did and got nothing in return. Mara thought they could win with the team they had and drafted Shepard, Engram and Barkley, forcing them to delay the rebuild and finally draft a QB the year there were only 2 with big question marks.

When would have been a good time to do that? In 2015 Manning was a pro bowl player. His coaches have been Ben Mcadoo and Pat Shurmur. you really got what you wanted if your answer is 2018 was the year they rebuilt.

I guess I agree in a way that they should have drafted a QB -- both times -- when Mcadoo became the coach and SHurmur. You arguably could say that is what they did with Shurmur.

But just saying "delay the rebuild" does not mean much to me. Who's the coach and who's the QB?

Mcadoo and whoever no
Shurmur and Daniel Jones no.

But if you have perrenial losers like Shurmur and mcadoo saying it time to bench Eli a decision needs to be made.

Strangely I think both of them got more leeway than Daboll seems to have.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 31, 2024, 12:09:19 PM@T200 

But seriously it is not "all" because of the QB but, it is a big part of it. So you are saying it is just coincidence then that a team like the Washington Generals were terrible for ; I don not know how many years now just became good. Like they would have had the same or similar success with Sam Howll but if they just went with their new roster and coaches? Ditto for Houston?

QBs play a big role in most rebuilds ; and there is a good reason for that; it is the most important position!

New England in the 90s ; the Lions wi their Jared Goff trade ; new coach and a ton of pics are another example.

Is it just wrong to take that out of context however, and pretend that maybe a new coach and gm ; and oline will make Jones anything more than a serviceable back up QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 31, 2024, 11:41:59 AMTim,

I have to strongly disagree with your assertions here.  The reality is fans love to site the Texan's turnaround or the Commanders turnaround and try and claim it was all because of the QB drafted. 

Yea you can count me as one of those! I will even do you one better and, say the NE Patriots drafting Drew Bledsoe in 93 was the reason for their turnaround and subsequent dynasty. Even Kraft  said as much after one of their SBs where Tom Brady was the QB!

Quote from: ozzie on October 30, 2024, 10:23:49 PMA fair question and my reply is that Josh Allen was supposedly inaccurate and somewhat of a risk coming from a smaller school. Daboll was credited with turning him into the QB he has become. I have seen zero improvement in Jones since Daboll has coached him and for someone getting props as some kind of QB whisperer I expected better. OK, maybe Jones isn't talented enough to become  top 5 QB, but he should have improved at least a little under Daboll.
Wasn't that supposed to be one of the perks when they hired him?

If you remember Josh ALlen was a diamond in the rough sort of draft pick. Daniel Jones had Cutcliffe and was supposed to be NFL ready.

@ Todge so am I to understand you believe Daniel Jones to be an actual good NFL QB?

You never answered this question.

No one is disagreeing that the other plyers and their contributions do not matter; but it just seems odd that for over 6 years now we have seen a lot of different players and coaching staffs and all have been gone now.