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Giants cut a QB everyone said was bad, so why are they being hated on for doing this and cutting bait? If you go on reddit, Giants fans are having a parade right now. Same thing with the Saquon situation. We were laughed at for even drafting him, we would have been laughed at for giving a RB money if we re-signed him. Now it's "how dare they let him go". Same with Jones now "how dare they treat him like this", dude should have been cut sooner. 

"he's a nice guy, hard worker, first in the building last out, great teammate, well respected"

That's all fine and good, but can he play? That's more important.

There are currently 10 teams in the NFL that have 2 wins or less in the NFL. NFL is so bad this year. Dolphins are 2-5, 7 teams have a 2-6 records, Titans 1-6, Panthers 1-7. There is so much bad football right now it is hard to explain. Has there ever been this many bad teams 8 weeks into the season? For example, the Giants are playing horrible and they are picking 9th, which would end all hopes of a top QB unless there is a trade up.  Is there a reason for this?

As of now Daniel Jones has:

1,138 Passing Yards (227.6 YPG), 6 TD's 3 INT's, 61.3 QBR

108 Rushing Yards (21.6 YPG), 3.2 YPC, 0 TD's

As of today, he's passing for his second highest yards per game total (232.8 his rookie year) but his rushing numbers are much lower despite similar attempts per game.

So going by todays numbers, he's on pace for 3,869 passing yards, 20 Touchdowns and 10 interceptions with 367 rushing yards (since he has no rushing touchdowns, you can't calculate any pace numbers so lets assume 2-3 rushing TD's)

Also he's on pace for only getting sacked 40 times, which is really low in context since he never played full seasons outside 2022. He got sacked 30 times last year in 6 games for example.

This is he plays all 17 games.

Obvious things can change due to opponents, improvements, regression but thats his current pace thus far
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JoneDa05.htm

According to PFF Jones had a very good game and the OL was very good as well. McFadden continues to impress PFF and Theo does nothing

Even when teams like the Cowboys, Lakers, Knicks are bad, the media still talk about them. Yet the Giants are treated like they are the Panthers almost, completely irrelevant team unless they are playing a popular team. I know fans will say "who cares what the media says.....", but I'm curious what did the Giants do to received this much negativity and apathy from the media?

QuoteESPN's Jordan Raanan reports that several Giants players are beginning to lose faith in Daboll and fear that he will lose the locker room entirely if the team reaches 0-4.

"I've spoken to guys over the past few days," Raanan said on the Breaking Big Blue podcast, "and some of them — not all of them — have said it's starting to get shaky in there. The confidence in Brian Daboll is hanging by a thread.

"Their trust in him is waning."

Publicly, Giants players have presented a very different narrative but there have also been some red flags.

All-Pro nose tackle Dexter Lawrence took very uncharacteristic aim at fans following a Week 1 loss to the Minnesota Vikings, saying he didn't respect their booing. There was also a tense exchange between Raanan and linebacker Kayvon Thibodeaux after the Washington loss, but that was quickly resolved in a lighthearted way.

Then, of course, there was Daboll angrily staring down New York Daily News reporter Pat Leonard following a question about his job security.

"This is about as tenuous as I've seen the locker room since 2017 when things fell apart on Ben McAdoo," Raanan said. "This one here has the potential to go in the wrong direction if this gets much worse."

Raanan adds that there are players in the locker room who refute the failing confidence in Daboll but "more than one or two" see things headed down an ugly road.

Vegas shares similar expectations as many sportsbooks currently list Daboll as the odds-on favorite to be the first coach fired this season (+150, 40% implied probability).

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/09/20/some-new-york-giants-players-beginning-lose-faith-brian-daboll/

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1836130783712428421

I saw a stat that there have been only 66 touchdowns thrown so far this season, and unless the MNF game combines for 20 TD's, they won't reach the 86 mark from last season.  86 was also close to 20 less than the previous season and the years before that were steady numbers.  There's been a huge drop in QB production the last two seasons and I don't know why.  Also it's been 2 weeks and no rookies have thrown a touchdown.  This is the first time its ever happened when multiple rookies have started first two weeks. 

Does anyone have any good theories as to why this is?

https://x.com/LordReebs/status/1835662170618577113
https://x.com/LordReebs/status/1835659137327268104
https://x.com/LordReebs/status/1835657869640806868

The big Daniel Jones excuse has always been "you can't do anything with this offensive line", at least for yesterday, you cannot use that excuse for Bryce Young. Young was pressured on just 4 of 29 dropbacks in Week 2, the lowest rate of any starting QB. This dude just flat out can't play.

McAdoo was the OC if an offense who was above average for 2 seasons and gave Eli 2 of his best statistical seasons, so him being a head coach I didn't see as a negative. Even though the offense struggled in 2016, they still made the playoffs. Things really unraveled in year 2, the team was horrible, the players quit and we went 3-13. It was a radical difference from year 1. That, like 2021 signing a veteran receiver, drafting a TE to bolster the offense to match the strong defense.

Shurmur seems to have the most consistent tenure, the team wasn't that great while he was hear but the offense looked better under him and the 20119 season on paper had the least talent, traded their best receiver, a rookie QB started most of the year and Barkley was hurt for 1/4 the season. He was fired then Judge came in.

Even while going 6-10 everyone praised how hard they played and thought things were in the upswing. Fans for the most part loved Judge, loved his attituded and felt unity with the team. However like 2017, it was a radical changed, everyone hated the head coach, he looked nothing like he did last year and everyone like McAdoo, wanted him fire.

With Daboll, he took a bad roster to the playoffs and actually won a playoff game. Fans were feeling optimistic that they finally found the right guy. Then in year 2 it was a total 180, we see signs of being outcoached, bad roster management, team being unprepared, fighting with coaches, being way to conservative.  Year 3 hasn't improved at all and just exposed his problems more. So why is it that when the first year looks promising, year 2 is always a collapse, even when on paper changes were done to improve the team?

He was still one of the bright spots of the team the first game. In actuality he had the most receiving yards of any rookie receiver (TE included) who played in week 1. It's weird to have this complaint when he also ranked in the top 10 in separation for all receivers week 1.  No he was not dogging it.  He probably was frustrated late in the game with the overall team performance tho.   

What was it about Jones that many fans continued to defend the guy? What did they see that I and many others didn't?  OL while still not great, was better, supposed better weapons, yet still can't score a TD. So what is it? 

The Athletic ran a survey to gauge how optimistic fans are about their teams this year. Lions fans are most hopeful while Saints fans are the least. Giants fan's hopes rank: 2nd last

I know the answer people will give was that "we have a bad roster", "the team sucked" "OL was bad", yes we know this. But it was a similar roster to the playoff team the year before and on paper looked more talented. However what happened that from the opening drive anything that could go wrong, went wrong and we got shut out 40-0. Everyone and everything regressed and it almost seemed like the team was not prepared to play. Was the blocked FG a huge shell shock that they never recovered? Not saying the team had huge expectations but after a playoff victory and adding reinforcements, fans expected more of the same last season. But then the first game was a huge smack in the face with humble pie, so what happened? I know the answer most will give is the OL and it was bad but why was it WAY worse than it was in 2022? Was the scheme and coaching figured out by the rest of the league?