Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 01:34:56 PMThere are things a rank-and-file player can do, but that's not an issue.  When a QB, who is supposed to be a team leader, does the same things, it's not a good thing.

Look, you asked for concerns, that Tweet gave you 10.   Do what those 10 issue what you will.

That tweet gave me no concerns at all. Or "issues". I think its the preconceptions that give some people "concerns" by making these things seem much bigger than they are. And I didn't see anything in those "incidents" that made me think the guy wouldn't be a first-rate QB in the NFL.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 12:50:32 PMhttps://x.com/firstroundmock/status/1840190843698696445

LOL I thought you actually had reports on "character issues".

Thanks for that, I actually like the guy more than before. O my God, a player who shows passion and fight on the field, hates losing, and speaks his mind at pressers. God forbid the Giants should draft someone like that. They should definitely draft another robot like Daniel Jones. 

Quote from: LennG on November 16, 2024, 11:51:48 AMAtlanta has to move on from Cousins as they drafted Penix #1. Would you trade our #1 pick to Atlanta for him? If we did, we could have a decent enough QB for the next 5 years and then draft a QB in a lower round for suture consideration.
I don't know draft day values, but Cousins can win and isn't that the point?

Hell no

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 18, 2024, 09:32:23 AMSadly, I agree.

And of course we can see that right here when people start saying all kinds of stuff about "swagger" and "distractions" and "reports" (wink wink nudge nudge) about certain players based on absolutely nothing except perceptions.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 17, 2024, 09:09:47 AMTime to address the elephant in the room. Do you think the Giants are ready to draft a QB who doesn't look the part?

This is the big question.

My answer is no. That is the final frontier for certain teams, and I don't think the Giants are ready to go there. 

Quote from: y_so_blu on November 18, 2024, 09:04:17 AMIt's not really about swagger for me. I wouldn't mind our players showing more spirit on the field, as long as they're actually backing it up of course.

But in Shedeur's case he could be a total saint and his father would still be a liability, trying to "help" at every turn and trailing a media circus behind him. The guy's a weapon of mass distraction.

Have you considered that Deion Sanders, a Hall of Fame player and an excellent college coach, whose sons are outstanding football players and young men, might know something about the game of football and about player development, probably more than the entire current Giants Front Office combined, and wouldn't be a liability at all? Or are your preconceptions and stereotypes just too much to overcome?

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 18, 2024, 08:58:39 AMI have heard reports about Sanders that were less than ideal

Oh yeah? Like what.

Quote from: AYM on November 17, 2024, 07:23:50 PMThibodeaux and Nabers are one thing, but drafting a QB gets into that whole "face of the franchise" business that Mara injects himself into quite a bit. I don't know if he'd go for Sanders.

He wouldn't. Mara just wants to find another Eli.

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 13, 2024, 12:25:19 PMLenn, the time for that was before this season. When a team needs a QB and they are picking in one of the top two spots of the draft and have their choice to develop a Franchise QB, then they must do that. There's a paywall on that Newsday link so I didn't read it but if that's what it was pushing, then no. They will however need a Veteran who can start next season if need be, and mentor the young QB. To mentor and develop, not in place of.

This is the correct take. You don't start getting cute when you're drafting #1 or #2 overall and you're in dire need of a QB.

In 2004 the Giants did the right thing by both signing future HOF Kurt Warner and drafting Philip Rivers who turned into Eli Manning. And three years later they won a SB.

Quote from: Philosophers on November 11, 2024, 10:40:23 AMIf Giants go 3-14 following last year, how do you keep Dabs?

You can't. And this will likely be their record at the end of the season.

Daniel Jones is Schoen's and Daboll's QB. There's no getting around that. They've been together a few years now. Made the decision together to resign him. Gave up Saquon long term to do so. Kept playing him even when they had a chance to move on from him last season as a starter. He's their boy. If he goes, they can't shake him off. Gettleman drafted him but he's been gone for a while now.   

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on November 10, 2024, 03:14:21 PMWhether DeVito can be better than Jones or not doesn't personally matter to me. The main reason to be benching Jones at this point is risk mitigation around the injury clause. At 2-8 the season is obviously over. Parsing which of these three QBs is the least bad is of secondary importance, and I would say it is distant secondary importance. It's time to start thinking about what is best for the franchise over the medium term. Risking Jones getting a serious injury just seems beyond foolish to me. I cannot think of a single intelligent reason to do that.

That's very interesting and logical but it's not something any head coach considers when deciding on a starting QB. The HC isn't thinking about the next season. Only the next game.


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Quote from: Trench on November 10, 2024, 03:05:30 PMI got mocked in the game thread for pointing out Jones is perhaps the worst starting QB the NY Giants have ever had.

I like Dave Brown better and that says a lot.

Hahaha somebody wasn't around in the 1970s

In 1977 the Giants, run by the great Wellington Mara, had 2 QBs on the roster, both of them mediocre rookies!


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John Mara isn't the owner of the Giants. He's just an incompetent Team President (by all accounts he's a very nice guy). He and his brother Chris are co-owners with the rest of the family of their father, the late Wellington Mara, who was also incompetent when he ran the team. That part of the Mara family owns 50 percent of the franchise. The other 50% is owned by the family of the late Bob Tisch, who bought that share from the family of the late Tim Mara, Wellington's nephew and the son of Wellington's brother Jack Mara. The Maras  became owners because their Patriarch Tim Mara, an irish numbers-runner and bookkeeper in early 20th century NYC, bought the original franchise for peanuts.

In short: the NFL will not intervene with the Giants, who still make a lot of money for the other owners, don't worry.

They intervened with Snyder because besides having destroyed the Washington franchise, he was also a borderline mafioso criminal who was a personal embarrassment to the NFL brand and ran afoul of all the other owners.

They intervened with the Maras in 1979 because after head coach John McVay was fired and "operations director" Andy Robustelli went back to running his travel agency in Connecticut, in the aftermath of the notorious Fumble, Wellington and Tim could not agree on their successors, at all, and stopped talking. The NFL had no choice. Pete Rozelle "suggested" George Young as GM (the franchise's first), but Young was really an NFL appointment. And Young became, from 1979 until he left in 1996 (to work for the league), the dictator of the New York Giants.

The rest of the history you all know.

Quote from: WheresDayne on November 01, 2024, 10:19:31 AMWhy do you think Carl hasn't gotten into coaching?  He seems to be aware of how todays NFL works and he has his finger on the pulse of the players.  Just curious.  I know not everyone can be a great coach but i believe Carl could.

For the same reason that everyone here does whatever they do and not something else. Combination of personal preference, circumstances, opportunity, and need to make a living.

There seems to be some confusion on this board.

1. The decision of which QB starts a game is exclusively the head coach's. The job of the head coach is to try to win the next game on the schedule. That's it. He has no other job during the regular season. If Daboll thinks Jones helps the team win the next game, that's who he'll start. The HC is not concerned with next season, or the cap, or the draft. The GM and the owner do not decide who starts at QB, though they might be consulted or given a head's up in such cases.

2. Jones is not currently the Giants' QB because of John Mara. Mara makes a lot of really bad decisions all the time, and his impact on the team's quality is overwhelmingly negative, even though he seems like a decent sort. But Jones as a QB belongs at this point to Daboll, who starts him, and Joe Schoen, who signed him. He's their QB. Their decision. No one is playing Jones to make Mara happy. That's nonsense.

3. The Giants are 2-6. They will probably end the season 5-12 or something like that, which is what I expected. I don't expect Daboll to survive this bad record. The Giants will be in search of a new head coach at season's end, and I suspect Mara will make another poor choice, though hopefully not as poor this time as Joe Judge.