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Don't have a good feeling about this season coming off last year how it ended and what little they did this off season.  Could see them missing the playoffs this year unfortunately.

I haven't but still think they should have traded Lafreniere unless they're prepared to give him 1st or 2nd line ice time.

Sorry to see this.  He lived a long life.  My thoughts are with his family.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 11, 2023, 07:28:33 AMThere are so many flaws in the reasoning expressed

1)  it's flawed to think that Joe Schoen will simply copy what his former boss does

2)  it's hard to compare having the 25th pick (and no extra picks until a comp pick in round 3) to a team that had a 12th pick and 2nd-round picks in terms of trying to obtain a QB (the Bills also had another 1st round pick)

3)  There were more first-round QB prospects in 2018

I don't understand how the 33rd team, a football think tank, would run with this.  Although unlike most of the 33rd team, Ari Meirov is simply an unqualified reporter.

I don't think he was saying nor do I believe that Schoen will copy Beane.  But I do think a lot of the same philosophies will be applied where he won't let a playoff appearance get in the way of what his long term vision is for the franchise.  It won't be a tear down but will be a gradual roster turnover over the next few seasons. 

When it comes to Jones he has already stated that this is still a business which tells me that there will be a price limit of what he's willing to give Jones.

Quote from: TDToomer on February 02, 2023, 02:58:24 PMHas anyone thought that with Brady retiring, assuming it lasts, the Bucs are in desperate need of a QB. Could they drive up Jones agent's demands? They are in salary cap purgatory though. 

Even if they weren't Brady's salary this past season was below what Jones is looking for.

Quote from: Trench on January 29, 2023, 08:58:43 PMAgain I watch the replay of Mahomes and he clearly looks off the defenders. This has to be an off season priority for Jones. He made strides in this department this season but against Philadelphia he went STRAIGHT back to his old habits of locking on WR because of the pressure they generated.

I still say the loss is on Kafka because the Eagles were like 24th in run defense and we tried to throw it instead of going full Saquon

Instincts like Mahomes has you're born with not something that can be taught. 

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 23, 2023, 01:23:21 PMNot likely.  And while I got excited and enjoyed them getting into the playoffs and winning a game I'm not sure that was the best thing for their long term progress.

Completely disagree.  If the feeling is that this will make this regime complacent and get off track with what they're trying to do long term I don't think this Giants regime will operate that way especially after listening to them today.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 23, 2023, 10:57:35 AMhttps://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2023/01/22/2022-nfl-playoffs-daniel-jones-brian-daboll-giants-eagles/

Article on this writers perception of Jones post Eagles game.

This stuck out to me:

Daboll was asked specifically whether he saw Jones as the (or a) quarterback of the future.

"All these conversations, we are going to have those. We have a long offseason. There is a time and place to have all those conversations and tonight is not it."

Quote from: Trench on January 23, 2023, 10:25:34 AMHe isn't as good as Goff or Prescott and shouldn't be paid Stafford money either

I honestly don't believe there is much of a difference in ability from Jones to Dak.  Which is why I am hoping the Giants don't make the same mistake that Dallas did with Dak.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 22, 2023, 12:27:47 PM@TrueBlueFan @Rambo89 @GordonGekko80

This is not a rhetorical question.  Can any of you remember when franchising a QB for one year proved to be a good thing?

I'm not sure when it ever proved to be a bad thing.  It allows the Giants to keep Jones for one more season and for Jones to get a solid contract for 1 season with the chance to earn big money if he has a great 2023 season.

Quote from: GordonGekko80 on January 22, 2023, 12:25:27 PMThe problem is this: You can Franchise Tag the player, will cost you roughly 32mm in Cap space. And it's not to say that the player will sign the tag. He can sit it out if he wants (unlikely though with these numbers).

But if you were to draft a player or sign one from Free Agency, it would be much harder as either you don't know how the player will develop (draft) or he will cost you a ton of effin money (FA). Unless you are happy with a Tannehill type of player, which we already have inhouse.

So, in some way, we are married to the player...

It's going to cost the Giants that much either way.  I'd rather have the flexibility of moving on after the 2023 season than being locked into Jones for the long term.

I never thought I would say this but I think the Giants best bet is to franchise Daniel Jones ride out the 2023 season and take it from there.  I would not sign him to an extension.

Quote from: Trench on January 21, 2023, 09:59:18 PMAs good as he's looked for 3 games he is choking horribly tonight. The game is sped up again, locking on receivers and not making good decisions when to run. Looks scared. Very scared. 

It's gonna be an interesting contract negotiation

Expect him to be back but what he gets will be interesting just hope it's not massive and for the long term

Quote from: AZGiantFan on January 20, 2023, 10:08:14 AMI also wonder what would have happened if Mara had recognized how badly he screwed up with Gettleman 2 years earlier and brought in Schoen, who brought in Daboll, in DJ's second year.  I'm guessing that by this year DJ would be an MVP candidate. And with a solid roster, the Giants would have been the #1 seed.

I think both Schoen and Daboll needed their full time in Buffalo to become what they are today. 

Quote from: GMenRF on January 19, 2023, 08:32:29 AMhttps://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

2023 might have little to none wiggle room, but if you look at the 2024 cap space, that's about 179.8M workable cap space.  Let say DJ and Saquon take up about 50-53M AAV, we would have about 124.8M still available. 

https://overthecap.com/position/left-tackle
Top salary for LT is 23M and 31M for DT, that's 54M AAV if we retain those 2. 

This is where Joe will have to work his magic.  If he can manage to negotiate with our homegrown talent and take team friendly deals even at 10% discount - that's 100M for our 4 top players.  That's 79.8M alloted for the rest of the roster.  Hopefully, as what we have seen thus far, the general tendency is that the overall cap space has risen over time which should offset the big hit those guys will take in our the team's cap.

And like I said, at this time, trading for Higgins is a pipe dream that's if we don't take a WR in the early rounds.

You also have to factor in the Lawrence contract hit and the potential Andrew Thomas contract hit in 2024.