Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 29, 2025, 04:43:04 PMI love the dream situation scenario, but I'm afraid trading down is a pipe dream when we're talking about a GM/coach in pure do or die desperation, must-win-more-games-right-now mode. Which is absolutely what Schoen and Daboll are in.

I hate to say this, and I know nobody wants to hear this including me, but I think there is a much higher chance that we trade up for one of Ward/Sanders than that we trade down.

I agree. This is the situation Mara created. And it began a year ago when they passed on a QB putting them in the desperation mode.

Quote from: Philosophers on January 29, 2025, 02:01:47 PMNone of the QBs are impressing me now.  Sign a FA QB a d trade out of 3 so someone else gets maybe a QB and build up other positions especially OL and DL and a WR2.

I agree. None of these QBs are good enough to truly elevate a team including the free agent options. Build up the other positions and get a QB in 2026 with a new coach and GM. 2025 without any competent QB will be a disaster even if the other positions are improved.

Quote from: Gmo11 on January 28, 2025, 09:06:34 AMThe Giants have cap space, and an owner mandate to win and win immediately.  There are no free agent QBs that you can reasonably be confident in winning games immediately.  Certainly none worth the contract they're about to get (looking at you Darnold).  So what is almost certain to happen is the Giants use their cap space to fill out remaining holes at CB, Guard, possibly Center or another RB, and then draft a QB and hope for the best.

I do not think taking a QB this season is a mistake simply because it's this season.  I would certainly not trade up from 3 to 1 in order to take one, but if one of them is there at 3 and they believe that guy fits Daboll's system, is smart enough to read a defense, and has an arm strong enough to actually be able to put Hyatt on the damn field, then I'm fine with them taking him. 

I'd be fine with Jaxon Dart or Milroe later in the 1st round after a trade down or trade up from the 2nd round pick as well. 

None of the names mentioned in the original post do anything more for me than some of these guys right now besides Arch Manning.  And in order to guarantee you get Arch you basically have to lose every game next season.  Which would lead to everybody getting fired anyway. So there's just no way that's going to happen.  Not drafting a QB this season might as well be signing their own pink slips for Schoen and Daboll.

Absolutely. They need to hope whoever they draft actually results in a few more wins and shows growth potential or they are goners.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on January 27, 2025, 06:03:01 PMYou mentioned Ward. What if at pick 3 Ward is gone? Should we take Saunders "just because" we need one? In 1994 there were two QBs, the Skins took Heath Shuler at pick 3 and right after Patriots took Willie McGinest, the 2nd QB drafted was Trent Dilfer and the pick right after was Bryant Young taken by 49ers.

Giants have to make the right choice, and perhaps Ward and Saunders will be elite QBs. The point I was making is with this extreme schedule coming up, should we get a QB just to sit? Or wait until 2026.

They should wait, but you are ignoring the elephant in the room. Mara stupidly retained the GM and coach giving them an ultimatum. How can they expect improvement without a considerable upgrade at QB? You mentioned the schedule. Do you think Mara gives them another year if it's a bad one and they don't have a QB to develop?

I always disputed the Barkley pick at 2. Hated it then. Hate it now. Love Barkley. He's one of the all time great runners. But we all know the running back history in terms of value. It was terrible value. Imagine if at the time there was a GM with vision for the team. One who recognized that Eli was pretty much done and a new QB to replace him was needed to at least start the process. Instead we got a buffoon who believed with a running back, Eli was find his prime years again. The rest is history.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 26, 2025, 04:25:12 PMlet's hope not.

Absolutely are. That's what happens when your owner puts an ultimatum on the dynamic duo.

Doesn't matter. They can only go down if they participate. They will be the first two QBs taken.

Giants are drafting either Sanders or Ward. Simple as that.

The Giants would have been 3-14 with Saquon. He is now in the perfect spot. Great for him. The Giants dysfunction for years never helped him any. And that dysfunction continues. Bottom dwellers of the NFC East for the Foreseeable future.

It gives them hope, but to expect a turnaround like that keeping the same management and coaching that has resulted in abysmal failure and expecting a messiah in the form of a QB to lead the team next year would make more of a fictional fantasy than anything real.

Quote from: nb587 on January 24, 2025, 10:55:48 PMPeople seem to forget that Daboll was NFL coach of the year not too long ago and won a playoff game on the road with a pretty bad roster. 

2022: the gift that keeps on giving.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 24, 2025, 09:20:13 PMBill Belichick had an absolutely horrible record with very pedestrian qb play, why inheriting a horrible team from. 91-95. He had an exceptional season out of the 5 seasons he was there, so is he a horrible coach? We lost by one possession more than any other team this season and that was with Jones, backups, and injuries everywhere. With good to even great Qb play, less injuries, and another good FA/Draft class is it out of the realm of possibility that we could be a really competitive team?

I see it all much differently. I guess time will tell. I'm not optimistic.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 24, 2025, 03:47:10 PMYou do realize that Daboll can't run complex plays with a pedestrian Qb right? There's only so much you can do with a meh qb, Daboll had no issue running plays for Hurts, Tua, and Josh Allen that were all successful. So maybe it's not the play caller and instead the Qb...


Also what has Schoen done that was so horrible as GM that other GMs wouldn't have done? Maybe not trading Mckinney or Barkley but they had hoped to retain them both.

Your record defines you. Enough excuses. In Daboll's case, it's not just the QB. He is the HEAD coach. His team was sloppy in every way. Unprepared. That's on him.

Giants play the Raiders this fall. What was a winnable game just got to tougher. Pete is an excellent coach.

Quote from: MightyGiants on January 23, 2025, 12:29:45 PMDo you consider 2022 or 2023 to be the most detrimental seasons?  I get that 2022 spurred the Giants to sign DJ to a veteran contract, but unless they finished with the first or 2nd pick in the draft, it wasn't like there was a QB prospect worth drafting in 2023 (I am not counting the fluke that was Brock Purdy).

To me, having those meaningless wins push them out of position to draft Daniels or Maye will have a much longer negative impact on this team. 

The false narrative of 2022 was most damaging. No, there were no QBs in the 2023 draft, but if they realized where they really were as a franchise at that time, maybe they would have done a better job truly rebuilding and aiming for a QB in 2024 instead of patching here and there. Like it puffed up Jones, hiding what he always was as a QB, it, I fear, has done the same with Daboll. He won some very close games that could have gone either way buoyed by a great season by Barkley and won a playoff game on the road against a team they were, at the time, frankly better than in my opinion. Since the middle of 2022, Daboll, for the most part has been a dreadful head coach and by most accounts would have been gone if not for the early success he had in those close games.