Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Trench on November 20, 2024, 10:44:11 PMI've read reports Jines may ask for his release or be told he can stay away from the team.

Let me say, I don't believe this for a second. One thing Jones is not and that is a bad teammate. He is a Captain and QB. The idea he would just leave the team is absurd. Maybe others would do that, but not Daniel Jones. He's a good teammate first and foremost and these writers who are trying to find stories should be ashamed of themselves.

That's why I take a lot of that xxxx with a grain of salt. They phrase and word things to mislead the readers and manipulate viewpoints.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 05:30:06 PMhttps://x.com/schultz_report/status/1859074098585886797?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Sources: There is "disappointment" among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: "He's the QB1. To me, he's the best quarterback on the team."

One offensive player told me over the phone: "We're not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**."

The sense I've gotten from multiple sources — players, coaches, and executives — is that the issues within the organization go far beyond just one person.

Well duh.

In other news, water is wet, ice is cold, and fire is hot. Details at 11.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 03:38:18 PMWhile I have zero problem with hoping for losses (hell, I was doing that last season hoping to land an elite QB prospect), I couldn't help but think what the late great Jim V would say, as he was violently opposed to the idea of tanking for rooting for the Giants to lose.

I thought about him yesterday. Definitely miss him.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 20, 2024, 03:20:33 PMGood for him.

I can fully understand why he took the opportunity last year re: the money for appearances etc.

I'm excited to see what he can bring to the table with Nabers, Tracey and 18 months in the playbook. Im expecting little but hoping for more.

Good luck to him.

Play hard, play well, lose a close one. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 02:07:56 PMTim,

While there have been notable exceptions, the sense I get is that the unwritten player code is you don't begrudge your teammate's salary.  In other words, let them get theirs.  When I thought about it, that sort of made sense because at some point (at least if their career enjoys some success) they will be in a position of asking for as much money from the team as they can get.

So, while your point about less available money is hurting the team's success for all the players, I think inherently, most players don't view it that way.

I get your sentiment but this isn't that type of situation. This isn't a contract negotiation. Dex, to my knowledge, hasn't commented on the injury clause. My point was that he should understand the long-term ramifications. My guess is that he does but he's still publicly supporting his friend.

And to the point about him laughing with his teammates, that tells me they aren't really upset that Jones has been benched. Public comments say it but their locker room demeanor says they understand and they're OK with it.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on November 20, 2024, 01:44:15 PMI've long said that too many people get into the Hall of Fame, it's diluting the quality.

I think there needs to be a cut off of how many times one can be nominated. Holt has been nominated 11 times and not got in. That's crazy to think he'll eventually get in.

I can get behind that. If you're not in on the 10th try, it's a wrap.

Not an issue to me. Jones was the starter until he wasn't. Plans change. I don't think DeVito is looking past this week either. He's prepping, along with Daboll, for the Bucs.

Dexter has a point in that Jones is the best QB on the roster. I'm hoping he also understands that the best QB on the roster isn't getting the job done and the more they trot him out there is futile and subjects him to injury.

But why should he care about possibly triggering the injury clause? Because that's money that can otherwise be used to bring in better players.

It may be a lot of work but I'm interested in how many years each of the 25 were eligible.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 11:56:25 AMI was going to point out that the issues go beyond Daboll and, ultimately, are the result of a broken organization from top to bottom.   That said, two things can both be true.

1)  The organization can be fundamentally flawed and in need of fixing

2)  Based on their career track record (the latest being his starting QB playing progressively worse after a good year one with him), that shows that outside of 2 seasons with uber-talented Josh Allen, Daboll hasn't shown to be the QB guru he has the reputation of being.  Plus, there are other HC issues that we learned of at the end of last season.


Ultimately, I think this team needs to show (the GM's claims of being better are not really of value in light of his hopes of keeping his job) that it's significantly better than the 4-13 team (with 6 or 7 Pro-Bowl-level stars) that they took over three seasons ago. If their record is the same or worse than the 4-13, I am hard-pressed to justify believing that more time will produce different results.

That is just my opinion; I certainly do not discount other points of view.

I agree with #1.

What I am about to say is not an attack on you or your support of Jones.

You have advocated during his entire career, and correctly so, that Jones needed better pass protection, coaching, and WR targets. No one disagreed. For six years, you have repeatedly said that it was very hard to fairly judge Jones without adequate support.

Why does that same line of thinking not apply to Schoen and Daboll? They need an owner who doesn't meddle. They need talent on the roster to produce on the field. The key missing piece of this offense that has been lacking is the QB. Without an NFL-quality starter at QB, how can Daboll's offense (what he's known for) be fairly judged, especially after just two seasons?

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 11:41:47 AMJust to sum up what has been discussed.

A few weeks back, I requested an effort to return to civility and focus our discussions on football and the Giants.


A post was made that had nothing to do with football but rather distorted a comment about kicking a player while they are down (in this case, all but fired in name only).

Many people thought that the post didn't talk about football but rather focused exclusively on talking about other people. The forum was something they approved of and agreed with to the point of hitting the like button.

When the person who appeared to be the target of this post and the distortion of his position, restated what had actually been said and noted that they were disappointed by so many people encourage a textbook example of what we needed to avoid to return to civility the following responses were made:

1)  why have a like button if we are going to be held accountable for what we like?

2)  Forget the logical and factual points that were made; I am going to trump that by accusing you of pretending to be a victim.  The great thing about that accusation is that it doesn't have to be even remotely true, and it immediately ends the factual discussion that wasn't going in the favor of the accusor.


Look, we are all in this together.  Right now (and for the past decade) it has sucked to be a Giants fan more often than not.   You guys can continue with sniping and bickering with your fellow posters, or you can honor my request that we try to focus our discussion on football rather than each other.

The choice is yours.   This forum is what we make it.   It can be less than pleasant to give into your lesser angles and put others down, or we can follow the old saying about misery-loving company and focus on the cause of our unhappiness (the NY Giants) rather than one another.

I will share; it's not fun being the owner.  I have to always be the grown-up.  My posts need to be calm and reasoned.  I don't get to enjoy the luxury you enjoy of being rude, angry, or engaging in logical fallacies (if I get something wrong, I have people lining up to correct me).   I will also share my frustration.  I am not happy with the way things are going in the world at large.  I had hoped that I could escape some of the ugliness with this forum, but the same animosity, division, and unpleasantness are here as well.   While logically, I understand that it's natural for the disharmony of the world to seep into our little cyber family of Giants fans, in my heart, I don't know why we are not trying to build one another up and support one another rather than obsessively trying to tear one another down.   I am not referring to disagreement either.  I love the intellectual challenges of a good debate or lively discussion.  It keeps my brain sharp and helps me refine my views.   I just don't understand why disagreements always turn personal like they do.   It's not just one another, either.  I strive to bring quotes from qualified individuals to spark discussion.  Yet, often, the first comment isn't about what that person said; it's a putdown of the person making the comment.   I think I am getting old because I don't find that sort of conversation all that fun or mentally fulfilling.

LOOK. IN. THE. MIRROR.

In that entire diatribe, you did not take responsibility for your role in the downfall of this site. Yes, you provide excellent content but you are also a HUGE contributor into how things devolve.

For example: it was YOUR post that lamented the "kicking a guy when he's down." What was the football-related message in that? What were the stats associated with it? You're the one who made it personal and presented your views as some moral high ground and that those who continued to talk about Jones in a less than positive light were painted to be mean-spirited.

When you got push-back, then you want to fall back to, "I requested civility and an end to personal attacks."

Listen: it is your site. Do as you please. Just as you stick up for Jones from our perceived attacks, I will stick up for the general membership from yours.

It's interesting to see some of the posts by people who say, "Fire Daboll! We don't want him picking and corrupting the next QB."

Unfortunately, that sentiment conveniently forgets that Mara's influence is the root of these issues. Fire Daboll and guess whose horrible record of picking GMs and coaches will be on full display?

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 08:12:50 AMTim,

I called for a cease-fire, and instead of supporting it, you literally encouraged people to do the opposite by liking a post that broke the cease-fire.  Then, after encouraging people to go back to sniping at one another instead of talking football, you went after me for defending myself.

I am well aware you "have weapons". You have been using them against me for a long time.  Since you referred to yourself as "we".   It's not looking like "we" desire friendly, civil, and respectful discourse about the Giants and football.  Instead you prefer the talk crap about other posters.

So it's my fault???

How about this? Get rid of the damned "LIKE" feature because you use it to target people!!! Why the hell do you care who likes a post... just so you can blame me because I "LIKE" a post and you automatically assume it's because of something derogatory you feel they said?

You're always the victim and never the instigator, right Rich? Go have a look in the mirror and enjoy your day.

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 20, 2024, 05:43:12 AMAnd the post I was responding to was???

And YOUR post he responded to was???

You can't call a cease fire and then keep firing. We have weapons too.

Quote from: Trench on November 19, 2024, 11:16:18 PM"The usual suspects"??...

I sincerely hope I'm reading this the  wrong way.

It certainly wasn't football related.