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Murray is more dynamic on the ground as well. But he has some challenges with his size too

With that said I wouldn't pay him either. One advantage DJ there is Kyler is a diva and headache.

Kyler is a better player. But neither are a guy I would pay big money. Saying DJ is a better leader and tougher isnt saying much when compared to a whiny crybaby like Murray.

His ACL may bring down his explosiveness too, which will impact his game pretty bad potentially.

What I will say, is as much as I don't like Murray, if over the same span, DJs stats looked more like Kylers, I would be much more in favor of keeping him around.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 22, 2022, 09:41:50 AMMurray has had better skill players to throw to I believe!

OLINE probably equal to ours maybe slightly better but not by much.

Not really, Hopkins has been very injury prone over the last two years...last season he only accounted for 500 yards.  This year, he's only played in 8 games.  AJ Green is nearing 35 years of age and is a shell of his former self; M Brown was an overpaid FA...he's only had 1 of 4 good seasons.  While Murray has better talent this season, it's a lot closer than people realize over the last 4-years.  While Murray has enjoyed Hopkins, DJ has enjoyed Barkley/Thomas.  They both have bottom 10 Offense lines; although, the Giants have been been better pass blockers this season. 

 The Cards were on the right track, but haven't done well acquiring talent over the last few years, especially young talent.  It's odd we're told to look beyond the numbers as it relates to DJ, but we're not going to give Murray the same 'curtesy.'   I suspect Kingsburry will be fired this offseason and the Cards will be starting over on the offensive side of the ball; something I'd like to see our Giants avoid in 3-years...

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 22, 2022, 09:47:46 AMMurray is more dynamic on the ground as well. But he has some challenges with his size too

With that said I wouldn't pay him either. One advantage DJ there is Kyler is a diva and headache.

Kyler is a better player. But neither are a guy I would pay big money. Saying DJ is a better leader and tougher isnt saying much when compared to a whiny crybaby like Murray.

His ACL may bring down his explosiveness too, which will impact his game pretty bad potentially.

What I will say, is as much as I don't like Murray, if over the same span, DJs stats looked more like Kylers, I would be much more in favor of keeping him around.

I think Jones has the longer NFL career than Murray despite Murray being more talented.  Jones being a hard working good guy who has shown he can be an efficient game manager will last longer in the NFL.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 22, 2022, 10:02:16 AMI think Jones has the longer NFL career than Murray despite Murray being more talented.  Jones being a hard working good guy who has shown he can be an efficient game manager will last longer in the NFL.

I agree, Rambo! When DJ starting days are over in a decade, he'll make a great backup too.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 22, 2022, 10:02:16 AMI think Jones has the longer NFL career than Murray despite Murray being more talented.  Jones being a hard working good guy who has shown he can be an efficient game manager will last longer in the NFL.

Murray should have stuck with baseball I don't think mentally he is good enough or strong enough.

When this contract is up I wouldn't be shocked if he tries to keep his career going by going to play baseball professionally

Quote from: kingm56 on December 22, 2022, 10:07:23 AMI agree, Rambo! When DJ starting days are over in a decade, he'll make a great backup too.

I also agree, especially with the uncertainty of the ACL injury

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 22, 2022, 09:41:50 AMMurray has had better skill players to throw to I believe!

OLINE probably equal to ours maybe slightly better but not by much.

Not that is the be-all and end-all of pass pro evaluation, but AZ is just above the Giants, giving up 2.9 sacks per game compared to 3.1 for the Giants.  And our guys have done a better job in run blocking at 4.6 YPC compared to AZ's 4.3.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 22, 2022, 09:41:50 AMMurray has had better skill players to throw to I believe!

OLINE probably equal to ours maybe slightly better but not by much.

His offensive line is definitely far worse this year. Pugh, Hernandez, Billy Price, Max Garcia - we've seen that show and it isn't good.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 22, 2022, 10:21:48 AMNot that is the be-all and end-all of pass pro evaluation, but AZ is just above the Giants, giving up 2.9 sacks per game compared to 3.1 for the Giants.  And our guys have done a better job in run blocking at 4.6 YPC compared to AZ's 4.3.

Better pass blocking + better receivers = better success

Quote from: AYM on December 22, 2022, 10:27:21 AMHis offensive line is definitely far worse this year. Pugh, Hernandez, Billy Price, Max Garcia - we've seen that show and it isn't good.

Can't disagree but in his years prior they have been better then us.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 22, 2022, 09:41:50 AMMurray has had better skill players to throw to I believe!

OLINE probably equal to ours maybe slightly better but not by much.

The Cardinals are signing our cast offs to play oline.. We have Barkley, they have D Hop, I think it averages out.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 22, 2022, 09:44:19 AMI don't think this will be proven true in the end.  I think, in the end, Jones will prove to be the better QB.  While Jones is having career years in many areas, notice Murray's stats are now dropping.  I think those traits that Jones is, far in a way, superior are a lot more important than I think some appreciate. 

Rest assured, whoever signs Daniel Jones this offseason will not have to put a homework clause in his contract. 

A career year where lol? A career year for him has the Giants passing offense in the bottom 3rd. 27th in yards, 28th in Tds, 25th In yards per attempt. Those are not good, so I'm not sure how you justify a career year just because he doesn't turn it over.

Also Murray played a majority of the season with a bad line, no D hop, no Superstar running back and still has better numbers than Jones.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 22, 2022, 01:55:32 PMA career year where lol?

Jones is tied for the league's fewest interceptions with four among qualified passers (at least 14 pass attempts per team's games played) and has only lost three fumbles this season. He also has the NFL's lowest interception rate (interceptions/pass attempts) at 1.0%.

Jones is posting career highs in completion percentage (66%) and passer rating (90.5). He ranks 12th and 17th, respectively, in the NFL in these categories. His 2,694 passing yards are 16th in the league. He also has his highest QBR at 57.1, which ranks 12th

Jones also set a new career high (with three games remaining) in rushing yards 583, which ranks him 5th.  He ranks 13th in total QB yards with 3,277

I am not sure what is so funny.

I think it is fair to call this year a "career year" for Jones. I wouldn't say it exactly dwarfs his other seasons, but it is clearly the best of the four. I would say it has been a middling season by NFL starter standards, but definitely better than the other three. He has cut way down on mistakes and has settled in nicely to a game manager QB role that his coaches have done a nice job of figuring out how to win with.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 22, 2022, 01:55:32 PMA career year where lol? A career year for him has the Giants passing offense in the bottom 3rd. 27th in yards, 28th in Tds, 25th In yards per attempt. Those are not good, so I'm not sure how you justify a career year just because he doesn't turn it over.

Also Murray played a majority of the season with a bad line, no D hop, no Superstar running back and still has better numbers than Jones.

You have to add in his rushing yards and TD's and 1st downs running. He may wind up with near 4000 yards total. As of now he only has 4 Interceptions and has cut down considerably in turnovers. So Rushing and YAC is a career high. 3300 passing and that's also a CH. 66% completion % and that's a CH. QR 90.5 and QBR 57.1 and those are CH's.