Big Blue Huddle

There was something that Chris Collinsworth said about DJ during the Washington game that I thought was of interest.

He said, DJ is very good when he gets rid of the ball quickly and throws short intermediate passes, spreading the football around to multiple targets. In this I agree.

I would also add that DJ is very good when he has some designed runs called.

He also admitted the other day that he has learned what it takes to win in the NFL.

So, is he a game manager? Yes, I would say so, but I believe he is becoming very good at it.

Does he throw for a lot of yardage? No, but in order to win in the NFL, it's not so much about stats but what is the final score at the end of the game.

Final thought he only has thrown four interceptions in fourteen games, that is excellent. He has learned how to protect the football and not turn it over, and that has been a huge key in the teams 8-5-1 record.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 22, 2022, 07:27:32 PMWell, the pass pro DID get a lot worse, so there's that.

By what standard?   The metrics says it's better than last year.  Did you see the post from Ed a few weeks ago? 

In a copycat league looks like Jacksonville has Trevor Lawrence running a Daniel Jones Offense. The Mad Bomber at Clemson who needed his wings clipped too.

Football outsiders DYAR metric:

Slayton 31 (15,16 on some metrics)
James 39
Robinson 32 in the under 50 catches

2 Wrs in the top 40 DYAR is hardly horrible Wrs. Above average/average Mayne but not as horrible as people think. If Robinson was still playing he'd rank 32nd so that would be 3 Wrs I'm the top 40. You also have to look at our attempts vs other teams, if we passed more obviously their numbers would be better but to act like they are the worst in the league is a stretch.

Plus Bellinger is 16th DYAR for TEs even after missing several games.

Shurmur a guy who knows a thing or two about QBs and especially ours since he coached him chimes in on DJ:

"His first year, I think it's fair to say that he did enough things that he had the ability to have a bright future," Shurmur said during a phone interview Tuesday from his Union County home. "Probably the only thing you could have been critical of when he was a rookie was his ability to take care of the ball. But as far as throwing the ball and running it and doing what you have to do as a quarterback, you had to walk away from that first year saying this guy really has a chance to be good"

"I'm not surprised at all by what he's doing," Shurmur said. "I've seen the way he works and I always thought he was a good leader and a very talented guy. I'm just happy about his success. It takes a while for quarterbacks to develop, and he has done that. I'm rooting for him. When I was part of that organization, we did a quarterback evaluation that year and we felt he was our guy. I think it was a smart decision."

As the Giants decide whether to keep Jones beyond this season, which seems more likely than ever [yet another media guy saying this now] , Shurmur believes the best is yet to come for the quarterback.

"As he continues to play and he continues to grow in their offensive system, he's certainly going to continue to improve and do more of what they are looking for," Shurmur said.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2022/12/giants-former-head-coach-ecstatic-that-daniel-jones-has-team-on-brink-of-a-playoff-berth.html

Quote from: sxdxca38 on December 22, 2022, 08:25:39 PMThere was something that Chris Collinsworth said about DJ during the Washington game that I thought was of interest.

He said, DJ is very good when he gets rid of the ball quickly and throws short intermediate passes, spreading the football around to multiple targets. In this I agree.

I would also add that DJ is very good when he has some designed runs called.

He also admitted the other day that he has learned what it takes to win in the NFL.

So, is he a game manager? Yes, I would say so, but I believe he is becoming very good at it.

Does he throw for a lot of yardage? No, but in order to win in the NFL, it's not so much about stats but what is the final score at the end of the game.

Final thought he only has thrown four interceptions in fourteen games, that is excellent. He has learned how to protect the football and not turn it over, and that has been a huge key in the teams 8-5-1 record.

And when he gets better receivers (not guys we as fans have to work hard to come up with stats to make them look like they are somehow high end receivers) he will likely make the jump up in passing stats much like Josh Allen, Tua, Hurts, Lawrence all did.

Quote from: kingm56 on December 22, 2022, 08:32:26 PMBy what standard?   The metrics says it's better than last year.  Did you see the post from Ed a few weeks ago? 

Last year they averaged giving up 2.2 sacks per game.  This year they have been averaging 3.1 sacks per game, more than a 40% increase.  In the face of these facts I would not give credence to any metric that says their pass pro has even stayed the same, let anyone improved.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-per-game

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 12:41:56 AMLast year they averaged giving up 2.2 sacks per game.  This year they have been averaging 3.1 sacks per game, more than a 40% increase.  In the face of these facts I would not give credence to any metric that says their pass pro has even stayed the same, let anyone improved.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/qb-sacked-per-game

So, sacks allowed are purely an offense line stat, which the QB shares no culpability? If the QB holds the ball for 5 seconds, and gets sacked, is it still against the line? It's odd you choose to only use one metric, while simultaneously disregarding all the other data points.

Quote from: T200 on December 22, 2022, 07:50:12 PMI don't think there's anyone here that thinks that either.

Not true there are a select few who believe Jones is the long term answer that the Giants just need to get him WRs.

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 12:29:13 AMAnd when he gets better receivers (not guys we as fans have to work hard to come up with stats to make them look like they are somehow high end receivers) he will likely make the jump up in passing stats much like Josh Allen, Tua, Hurts, Lawrence all did.

This is the 2022 version of all Jones needs is a new offensive coordinator and a better offensive line that we heard a year ago.

Looking strictly at raw sacks without considering time to throw is literally going halfway down the path towards reality. Jones sits in the pocket longer than any other QB in the league. Obviously it's all the receivers' fault though and can't possibly have anything to do with processing speed, pre-snap read capability, or field vision.

Quote from: killarich on December 23, 2022, 05:59:41 AM

He's always had a pro Jones leaning on Social Media so not surprised he has this take.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 06:03:57 AMLooking strictly at raw sacks without considering time to throw is literally going halfway down the path towards reality. Jones sits in the pocket longer than any other QB in the league. Obviously it's all the receivers' fault though and can't possibly have anything to do with processing speed, pre-snap read capability, or field vision.

That number is always skewed since DJ can scramble to buy more time and not to mention the amount of playactions we run especially earlier in the season.

Quote from: GMenRF on December 23, 2022, 07:22:41 AMThat number is always skewed since DJ can scramble to buy more time and not to mention the amount of playactions we run especially earlier in the season.

It's not skewed.  Time in the pocket is just that it's not time from the snap until he throws.