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Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 11:37:18 AMJS and the GMs of the several teams looking for a QB.

The other teams will ONLY come into play IF the Giants let him test the market.

Otherwise if you believe the rules no other team or their representatives can speak to DJ or his agent and manipulate that price.

Personally I don't believe teams follow this rule!

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 10:59:21 AMWe aren't as determined to be as right as you think. There is a difference between sharing one's opinions, and trying to change peoples minds and telling them they are wrong. At the end of the day perception is reality.

I don't try to make anyone pro Jones anti Jones. If someone thinks another way that's fine. Many times I have tried tontell others we agree to disagree. I just try to talk about it, that's what forums are for, to discuss things.

Sure there are some debates, but I don't try to stir up controversy for the sake of website clicks or more star votes and likes on a topic I might post.

You on the other hand have very bluntly called others wrong for having an opinion different to you or Nick Felato and co. If you want to debate or challenge something, that is all fine and well. You clearly have made claims in previous topics that what you think is a fact. So, I do not think there is any way you can claim you do not desire to be right. If you think otherwise to each their own.

I can care less if I am right or wrong, I do not have to like Jones because the all 22 film or lack of interceptions on 2 yard throws say hes having a great year. If they resign Jones or not, I'm gonna root for my team and hope they win regardless of who plays. I'm not a GM, what I think means diddly, I never once claimed to be an expert. I have a fan's opinion, when we see what JS and BD really think, I'm just gonna trust them and hope they're right. I'm a Giants fan first and foremost.

Sure, I may engage in a debate or argument, and explain my thoughts or stance. That doesn't mean I have a desire to be right. At the end of the day like skmeone else said, anyone with an opinion is biased. I just don't try to change minds or claim to have facts. All I have is an opinion and I am happy to discuss or explain why. But, any stats, links or thoughts I share, I can confidently say that I stick by them always, not just when it is convenient for whatever point I am trying to make in a given topic.

Didn't you just tell me you posted a Shannon Sharpe Tweet not because you consider him an expert, but because you liked what he said?   

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 11:21:33 AMThere is only one opinion that matters!

That's the Giants specifically JS!

Everyone else is just flapping gums including us.

Everyone has a right to their opinion!  It's when people think their opinions actually matter more then others that there is an issue.

Technically there are two opinions that matter.  Schoen's AND Daboll's

Schoen wouldn't be a very good GM if he didn't factor in what Daboll thinks of Daniel Jones (or any other player for that matter)

Quote from: AP44 on December 23, 2022, 11:02:33 AMThe shine is going to come off Tua sooner rather than later. Lack of arm strength and lack of mobility and injuries are going to catch up to him soon.

I think injuries are going to be his issue with longevity.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 10:59:21 AMWe aren't as determined to be as right as you think. There is a difference between sharing one's opinions, and trying to change peoples minds and telling them they are wrong. At the end of the day perception is reality.

I don't try to make anyone pro Jones anti Jones. If someone thinks another way that's fine. Many times I have tried tontell others we agree to disagree. I just try to talk about it, that's what forums are for, to discuss things.

Sure there are some debates, but I don't try to stir up controversy for the sake of website clicks or more star votes and likes on a topic I might post.

You on the other hand have very bluntly called others wrong for having an opinion different to you or Nick Felato and co. If you want to debate or challenge something, that is all fine and well. You clearly have made claims in previous topics that what you think is a fact. So, I do not think there is any way you can claim you do not desire to be right. If you think otherwise to each their own.

I can care less if I am right or wrong, I do not have to like Jones because the all 22 film or lack of interceptions on 2 yard throws say hes having a great year. If they resign Jones or not, I'm gonna root for my team and hope they win regardless of who plays. I'm not a GM, what I think means diddly, I never once claimed to be an expert. I have a fan's opinion, when we see what JS and BD really think, I'm just gonna trust them and hope they're right. I'm a Giants fan first and foremost.

Sure, I may engage in a debate or argument, and explain my thoughts or stance. That doesn't mean I have a desire to be right. At the end of the day like skmeone else said, anyone with an opinion is biased. I just don't try to change minds or claim to have facts. All I have is an opinion and I am happy to discuss or explain why. But, any stats, links or thoughts I share, I can confidently say that I stick by them always, not just when it is convenient for whatever point I am trying to make in a given topic.

Didn't you just tell me you posted a Shannon Sharp tweet not because you think he is an expert whose opinions you value, but because his views matched your own?

Quote from: AP44 on December 23, 2022, 11:02:33 AMThe shine is going to come off Tua sooner rather than later. Lack of arm strength and lack of mobility and injuries are going to catch up to him soon.

Tua probably looks down at his uniform to make sure he isn't back in Alabama (the last time, he was throwing to extremely talented wide-open receivers).

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 11:31:33 AMLeadership, toughness, an inability to perform well when the offense is trash, ability to flash in 4th quarter situations.

Eli was never a game manager.  As far as ability to flash in 4th quarter situations, yes with Jones's legs that was something Eli's game never had.  Not with Jones's ability to throw the ball down the field.

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 23, 2022, 11:49:55 AMDidn't you just tell me you posted a Shannon Sharpe Tweet not because you consider him an expert, but because you liked what he said? 
Technically there are two opinions that matter.  Schoen's AND Daboll's

Schoen wouldn't be a very good GM if he didn't factor in what Daboll thinks of Daniel Jones (or any other player for that matter)

Yes but as GM he takes the responsibility on, it won't be Dabs that gets blamed for his signing and contract it will be JS!

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 23, 2022, 11:16:53 AMArticle from a month ago, specifically before the Dallas Loss. Executives polled seemed split, but even those wanting him retained only suggested a 1 year deal, and the other suggested to not retain him at all because he lacks the ability to win in dropback passing situations.

"The franchise tag for a quarterback is estimated at $31.5 million next season, according to the salary cap site Over the Cap. Jones made under $4 million this year, and five quarterbacks -- Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, Patrick Mahomes, Kyler Murray and Derek Carr -- are currently slated to make over $31 million next season".

"The Giants could absorb the hefty salary next year, with ample salary-cap space. But they also have to figure out a solution for Barkley, who seems like a prime candidate for the franchise tag in back-to-back years. The franchise tag for a running back is estimated to be in the $10-12 million range".

"That would leave the Giants needing to find a middle ground with Jones or turn to backup Tyrod Taylor for a much more manageable $5.5 million".

"One NFC general manager figured the Giants' "best option'' would be to re-sign Jones this offseason. Another executive with a potential NFC playoff team said there is "no way" he would build around the 2019 No. 6 overall pick, citing what he considered an inability to win in traditional drop-back situations, and the Giants' success in Daboll's scaled-back offense".

"An NFL executive with experience negotiating contracts suggested a one-year deal for midlevel money would make the most sense for both parties. Something in the $15 million to $20 million range".

"That is assuming there won't be a big, long-term deal out there for Jones".

"He's a bridge to the real future starter," the executive said.

"Another source pointed to the two-year, $28 million contract ($21 million guaranteed) Jameis Winston signed with the New Orleans Saints this past offseason as an example of what might work with Jones".

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35077485/what-does-daniel-jones-need-prove-part-giants-future

This is the sort of high-quality article I like.  Unfortunately, in terms of drawing a good conclusion, even people who are qualified to judge are all over the board.

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 11:55:48 AMYes but as GM he takes the responsibility on, it won't be Dabs that gets blamed for his signing and contract it will be JS!

Fair point, ultimately it will be on Schoen.   Although, get it wrong, in the NFL it's likely Dabs goes before Schoen does.

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/23/23522332/how-daniel-jones-is-winning-over-the-giants-and-earning-a-chance-to-stay

How Daniel Jones is winning over the Giants ... and earning a chance to stay

SB Nation tends to be a puff piece more times then not but it's info that is out there on how some are seeing it.

Agree to disagree or agree

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 23, 2022, 11:51:45 AMDidn't you just tell me you posted a Shannon Sharp tweet not because you think he is an expert whose opinions you value, but because his views matched your own?

Ok? It's a quote I copied because I also think DJ is just a guy essentially. Was it coupled with me trying to changes ones view? No, it was a mere quote nothing more or less. Not sure what the point you are trying to make is with this one

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/21/23519250/how-much-would-you-pay-to-keep-daniel-jones-as-giants-quarterback

  

This won't make some here happy if it comes to this

 

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 12:07:25 PMhttps://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/21/23519250/how-much-would-you-pay-to-keep-daniel-jones-as-giants-quarterback

  

This won't make some here happy if it comes to this

 

That's way too much to pay a game manager even a really good one.  Problem is and I saw this somewhere the other day is that when it comes to QB's salaries post rookie contract there really isn't a middle ground for their salaries.  There are the $30+ million salaries that make up the top 10+ and the rest are $15 million and below.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 12:10:47 PMThat's way too much to pay a game manager even a really good one.  Problem is and I saw this somewhere the other day is that when it comes to QB's salaries post rookie contract there really isn't a middle ground for their salaries.  There are the $30+ million salaries that make up the top 10+ and the rest are $15 million and below.

This is what the OWNERS and the NFL has created!  Hence why I say complaining about the cap and what players get paid is not worth it!  Cause these owners keep over paying willingly in the HOPE to out do the other 31 owners

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 23, 2022, 11:40:03 AMThe other teams will ONLY come into play IF the Giants let him test the market.

Otherwise if you believe the rules no other team or their representatives can speak to DJ or his agent and manipulate that price.

Personally I don't believe teams follow this rule!

Unless the Giants offer him the kind of big money contract that would cause heads to explode around here I think he'd be foolish not test the FA market and see what is out there.  But there we go talking about money again.