Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 24, 2022, 07:17:24 AMfrightening isn't it            

Just proves Christmas miracles do happen   

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 11:32:33 PM

Jones has great command of an offense that is 22nd in total yards, 28th in passing yards and at the top of the league in fewest turnovers.  Put it all together and it says that Daniel Jones is a highly efficient game manager.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 24, 2022, 01:28:11 AMI'm in a different 'fringe', apparently.  I think he could become elite on a team that has an offense with a reasonable amount of NFL-level quality.  And as I said before I'm not talking about the hyperbolic distortion some have read into this and claimed I want an elite guy at every position.

Alas, I think circumstances have made this impossible to occur for the Giants, because they needed to get to that point of a reasonable amount of quality on the offense while he was on his rookie contract and they didn't.  So now he is more valuable to a team that has this, but no QB, than he is to the Giants, who don't have this yet and need to build it out over the next year or two.  Letting DJ and Barkley walk would accelerate the build out.  IMO, needless to say.

He could be elite if you gave him the 90's Cowboys offensive line, the 98 Vikings WR's, Marshall Faulk as his RB and Tony Gonzalez as his tight end. 

Check this out.... a great angle/view of DJs 4th and 9 play vs Washington....Enjoy!:

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 24, 2022, 09:02:32 AMJones has great command of an offense that is 22nd in total yards, 28th in passing yards and at the top of the league in fewest turnovers.  Put it all together and it says that Daniel Jones is a highly efficient game manager.

He could be elite if you gave him the 90's Cowboys offensive line, the 98 Vikings WR's, Marshall Faulk as his RB and Tony Gonzalez as his tight end. 

Fine, so long as you understand that is you saying that, not me.  I've never claimed he needs elites at every position, just a reasonable amount of quality on the ofense, something he has never had here.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 24, 2022, 10:15:15 AMFine, so long as you understand that is you saying that, not me.  I've never claimed he needs elites at every position, just a reasonable amount of quality on the ofense, something he has never had here.

In salary cap era, reasonable amount of quality on offense,' especially the offensive lines, is a luxury.  Consider Joe Burrow, his line has and continues to stink...he was putting up top 5 numbers without Chase for over a month too.  Herbert's had worse offensive lines than DJ and had an amazing rookie season and continues to dominate. We also know Mahomes OLs stunk prior to this year; speaking of this year, Mahomes has been without his top 3 WRs multiple weeks this season and is throwing to a bunch of meh guys; obviously, this doesn't include Kelce.  The point is, very few teams get to enjoy the Eagles' luxury, which includes multiple 'reasonable' players at all levels. Finally, these QBs have earned the term elite because they have been HIGHLY successful without 'a reasonable amount of quality on offense.'  That's what makes them unique.  Moreover, let's stop pretending DJ is playing without talent; at the end of the season, his LT and RB will be APs...that's not bad!

Quote from: Slugsy-Narrows on December 24, 2022, 08:40:22 AMJust proves Christmas miracles do happen   

Awww, c'mon, we agree about a lot of things.      

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 24, 2022, 10:15:15 AMFine, so long as you understand that is you saying that, not me.  I've never claimed he needs elites at every position, just a reasonable amount of quality on the ofense, something he has never had here.

He's had it here he just hasn't had the elite quality to prop him up.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 24, 2022, 10:15:15 AMFine, so long as you understand that is you saying that, not me.  I've never claimed he needs elites at every position, just a reasonable amount of quality on the ofense, something he has never had here.

His rookie year at least approached half decent quality in the pass game and a half decent system (but a really bad OL) . Despite having to work on rookie ball security issues he threw for 24tds in 12 games. Every year after its been much worse.

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 24, 2022, 12:55:37 PMHis rookie year at least approached half decent quality in the pass game and a half decent system (but a really bad OL) . Despite having to work on rookie ball security issues he threw for 24tds in 12 games. Every year after its been much worse.

What he's shown is that when things are opened up he is vulnerable to turnovers as it was his rookie year.  Despite the offensive line and coaching improving Jones still isn't producing at the level you would want in someone you are committing $25-$30+ million a season.

Well we see what Jones can do vs a bad defense even with questionable wr group ....


Could this be how he plays on the regular if he has a legit wr group that can challenge and play vs the good defenses of the league ?

I actually prefer this Jones game than any he's played all season, with the start to Jacksonville being a close 2nd. His placement was extremely erratic all day throwing high and behind. After the first drive were he was short of the sticks on the 3rd down throw at least he was throwing beyond the sticks and attempting to attack. It's the worst pass defense in the league, but I'd rather us play like this every game instead of being conservative so at least we have a definitive answer one way or another.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 24, 2022, 04:26:32 PMI actually prefer this Jones game than any he's played all season, with the start to Jacksonvillebeing a close 2nd. His placement was extremely erratic all day throwing high and behind. After the first drive were he was short of the sticks on the 3rd down throw at least he was throwing beyond the sticks and attempting to attack. It's the worst pass defense in the league, but I'd rather us play like this every game instead of being conservative so at least we have a definitive answer one way or another.

His placement was erratic early and then he played an outstanding game.   A game where he had poor pass protection and his receivers were not helping him.   Your right though, they put it on Jones and he passed the test

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 24, 2022, 04:30:56 PMHis placement was erratic early and then he played an outstanding game.   A game where he had poor pass protection and his receivers were not helping him.   Your right though, they put it on Jones and he passed the test

Jones clearly missed wide open reads, and had bad placement all game but it was still one of his better games. Outside of 3 plays the line protected well all game and the wrs caught balls. Anything to support your narrative though right Rich? You think Barkley running it on 4th and 2 for a Td was putting it on Jones then by all means. Not sure how you can pass a test and lose a game but sure.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on December 24, 2022, 04:40:04 PMJones clearly missed wide open reads,

I don't recall seeing that and I am almost certain the announcers didn't mention it (if it was that clear you would think they would have mentioned it.

Dak threw a pick 6 when he had his guy open ...


This sh** happens.... Jones has to be perfect though