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For the age factor.  Here are the QB's PFF grades for the season they were 20 at the start

C. Williams- 91.2
D Maye- 91.9
JJ McCarthy- 91.0
J. Daniels- 82.7
M. Penix- 82.9
B. Nix- 78.5

Smart money might be McCarthy to Denver at 12 or in a small trade back. I just cannot see us risking it at 6 but I can see Payton taking him.

Quote from: londonblue on February 04, 2024, 02:23:13 PMSmart money might be McCarthy to Denver at 12 or in a small trade back. I just cannot see us risking it at 6 but I can see Payton taking him.

To me, the QB is so special I don't see much of a difference between spending a 12th pick or a 6th.  I mean, do you pass on a QB because you have a slotted a few spots later?

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 02:57:20 PMTo me, the QB is so special I don't see much of a difference between spending a 12th pick or a 6th.  I mean, do you pass on a QB because you have a slotted a few spots later?

I agree with that. Especially since unless you are getting Marvin Harrison, Jr. you don't pick a receiver there when you can get plenty in later rounds. There are many good ones this year. Same with interior linemen. You don't pick one at 6. If there is a stud edge rusher, maybe. Otherwise if you don't take the QB, trade down for extra picks. There's no one but a QB worth that pick for the Giants, in my opinion.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 02:57:20 PMTo me, the QB is so special I don't see much of a difference between spending a 12th pick or a 6th.  I mean, do you pass on a QB because you have a slotted a few spots later?

If MHJ and McCarthy are both there at six, who do you take?

No way in hell should the Giants take McCarthy at pick 6. What do they say about a running game? It's a QBs best friend. Michigan could run the ball, which made McCarthy's job way easier. I watched a few games of his and at no point did I see anything special. Seems like others disagree with me but if based on the info I have, I don't take him at 6. Reeks of Daniel Jones all over again!!!!

Quote from: Ed Vette on February 04, 2024, 03:26:05 PMIf MHJ and McCarthy are both there at six, who do you take?

I think that will depend on the Combine.  If McCarthy tests and measures very well and impresses with his throws, report's are he impresses teams in his interviews, I go McCarthy  (although, in fairness I don't think MHJ is there at 6).  Otherwise, I take the elite WR.

Harrison is the number one or two player in the draft. I take him at 6 over McCarthy. But he won't be there.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 02:57:20 PMTo me, the QB is so special I don't see much of a difference between spending a 12th pick or a 6th.  I mean, do you pass on a QB because you have a slotted a few spots later?

It is not just about the player it is also the situation, coaching, support. Denver taking him at 12 is a substantially lower risk for them and him than us taking him at 6 IMO.

The top 5 or 10 draft picks are not remotely close to being decided.  If Harrison runs a 4.55x 40 or Caleb Williams scores horribly on a mental aptitude test, etc., they will not be drafted where mocksters now are saying.

Quote from: londonblue on February 04, 2024, 04:33:18 PMIt is not just about the player it is also the situation, coaching, support. Denver taking him at 12 is a substantially lower risk for them and him than us taking him at 6 IMO.

Fair point, the Broncos are in a better position to develop a drafted QB.

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 04, 2024, 05:18:44 PMFair point, the Broncos are in a better position to develop a drafted QB.

Completely disagree with that statement.  Why do you say they're in a better position?

Quote from: nb587 on February 04, 2024, 06:21:16 PMCompletely disagree with that statement.  Why do you say they're in a better position?

Here are some of the things a developing QB needs

(I will use PFF rankings)

Pass blocking

Giants- 32nd
Broncos- 5th

Receving

Giants- 32nd
Broncos- 23rd

As for coaching, I think the Broncos coaching staff is a good if not better than the Giants coaching staff

In the event the Giants draft McCarthy..there's little chance he would grab the starting job considering their desire to have an experienced backup in case Jones can't go.

More likely, he learns under Daboll (which helps his job security) to break thru later..not with last year's mess hopefully.

Quote from: sooners56 on February 04, 2024, 03:37:37 PMNo way in hell should the Giants take McCarthy at pick 6. What do they say about a running game? It's a QBs best friend. Michigan could run the ball, which made McCarthy's job way easier. I watched a few games of his and at no point did I see anything special. Seems like others disagree with me but if based on the info I have, I don't take him at 6. Reeks of Daniel Jones all over again!!!!

One thing to remember.  Throwing is easier on first and second down.  When you are a QB for a running team you are forced to throw it on the much harder 3rd and 4th down and there is a lot less room for error, which explains


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JJ McCarthy was the most efficient QB in the nation on 3rd and long (7+ yards) in 2023.

JJ McCarthy on 3rd and 7+ (2023):

#1 in 1st down/att %
#1 in NFL passer rating
#2 in comp %
#2 in Y/A

49 attempts on 3rd and long, 27 went for a 1st down (55%)

 Just a game manager?


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