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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 23, 2024, 09:05:29 AMhttps://x.com/clt_ny/status/1782754980060938662

Where there's smoke, there's liar(s).

Daniel Ĵones eyes when he was asked about the Giants drafting a Qb lol.

Quote from: T200 on April 22, 2024, 11:42:03 AMThis just in: Giants are interested in a player in the first round. 

We can only hope!

Quote from: T200 on April 23, 2024, 09:12:40 AM

Where there's smoke, there's liar(s).

I can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him.  In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.

But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point.  THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.

So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones.  We tried.  It failed. He failed.  Now you HAVE to let me do things my way."  If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it. 

We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more.  It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 10:11:47 AMI can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him.  In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.

But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point.  THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.

So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones.  We tried.  It failed. He failed.  Now you HAVE to let me do things my way."  If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it.

We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more.  It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.

I get what you're saying but that's not how things work, or should. Every organization has a hierarchy. There are ramifications and repercussions for taking those actions (leaving or getting fired). He currently has 1 of 32 positions and all of the employers who hire for those positions talk.

In a similar way, you're suggesting he go partial Wink. That would be a bad move. He needs to stay true to himself and do his job as best as he can despite the interference. Doing otherwise would be career suicide.

Quote from: T200 on April 24, 2024, 11:01:56 AMI get what you're saying but that's not how things work, or should. Every organization has a hierarchy. There are ramifications and repercussions for taking those actions (leaving or getting fired). He currently has 1 of 32 positions and all of the employers who hire for those positions talk.

In a similar way, you're suggesting he go partial Wink. That would be a bad move. He needs to stay true to himself and do his job as best as he can despite the interference. Doing otherwise would be career suicide.

I'm saying he was hired to do a job and if the ownership doesn't trust him to do it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.  Ultimately this will end up sticking to him good or bad.  If they run Jones out there again and again he's gonna have a hard time getting another one of those 32 jobs after he's inevitably fired.

He can't get fired and THEN point the finger at an idiot owner that wouldn't let him do his job.   That's sour grapes.  If he actually is being hindered he should say so now, leave, scream to anybody that will listen how none of this was his fault, and when 5 other GM's get fired next season he'll be in the running for some of those jobs.

I don't know if Mara actually is getting in the way or not.  It's all rumors and such even if they are believable rumors.  But I do know if somebody can't properly do his job because his boss won't let him then there's no reason for him to have that job anymore.  Whether he's fired or quits he's in a got to go situation. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 09:22:44 AMDaniel Ĵones eyes when he was asked about the Giants drafting a Qb lol.

That's his.."Omg..I going to die soon"..game sigh from his OL doormats

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 11:08:56 AMI'm saying he was hired to do a job and if the ownership doesn't trust him to do it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place.  Ultimately this will end up sticking to him good or bad.  If they run Jones out there again and again he's gonna have a hard time getting another one of those 32 jobs after he's inevitably fired.

He can't get fired and THEN point the finger at an idiot owner that wouldn't let him do his job.   That's sour grapes.  If he actually is being hindered he should say so now, leave, scream to anybody that will listen how none of this was his fault, and when 5 other GM's get fired next season he'll be in the running for some of those jobs.

I don't know if Mara actually is getting in the way or not.  It's all rumors and such even if they are believable rumors.  But I do know if somebody can't properly do his job because his boss won't let him then there's no reason for him to have that job anymore.  Whether he's fired or quits he's in a got to go situation. 

I do agree that Mara's involvement, direct or indirect, makes Schoen's job more difficult.

Mara is a meddler. We know that, and have witnessed a proud franchise fall into a dumpster fire with his stewardship.

It's always there to consider.

Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 11:19:58 AMThat's his.."Omg..I going to die soon"..game sigh from his OL doormats

Those were actually his eyes when reporters mentioned the Giants taking a qb this week. It was a thing on the internet earlier this week and on ESPN.

I keep hearing the unsubstanciated claims of Mara meddling.  Apparently John Mara has heard those accusations as well


"They knew my feelings that I was hoping it didn't come to this, but again, at the end of the day I know sometimes every once in a while I read that — 'Oh, he's meddling, he's meddling,'" the NYG co-owner acknowledged candidly. Reacting: "No, we've run our organization the same way for many, many years. If the head coach and general manager have a conviction about a player or a group of players, I'm going to let them go ahead and make those decisions."

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/john-mara-saquon-barkley-eagles-meddling/

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 10:11:47 AMI can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him.  In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.

But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point.  THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.

So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones.  We tried.  It failed. He failed.  Now you HAVE to let me do things my way."  If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it. 

We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more.  It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.

Well stated. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 11:53:54 AMI keep hearing the unsubstanciated claims of Mara meddling.  Apparently John Mara has heard those accusations as well


"They knew my feelings that I was hoping it didn't come to this, but again, at the end of the day I know sometimes every once in a while I read that — 'Oh, he's meddling, he's meddling,'" the NYG co-owner acknowledged candidly. Reacting: "No, we've run our organization the same way for many, many years. If the head coach and general manager have a conviction about a player or a group of players, I'm going to let them go ahead and make those decisions."

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/john-mara-saquon-barkley-eagles-meddling/

That sounds disingenuous to me.  Whether or not the coach and general manager have a conviction about something is going to be influenced by what the owner has been saying and by a personal desire to survive, IMO.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 24, 2024, 02:53:42 PMThat sounds disingenuous to me.  Whether or not the coach and general manager have a conviction about something is going to be influenced by what the owner has been saying and by a personal desire to survive, IMO.

Rich,

One thing I learned is to be true to my own convictions.   The reality is doing what you think will please your boss or others, will not protect you if things go south.   My feeling is if I am going to be called on the carpet for a decision, it will be one that I made based on my convictions.   I found being reamed out for a decision I didn't really agree with was a terrible experience.