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Win 60% of the games he starts and have decent QB stats.

Quote from: GloryDays on May 06, 2024, 04:24:16 PMWin 60% of the games he starts and have decent QB stats.

"Decent" is good enough to be paying someone $40mm a year?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 06, 2024, 05:38:02 PM"Decent" is good enough to be paying someone $40mm a year?

The question was what it would take for Jones to be kept as the giants QB in 2025. My answer is based on the circumstances. If we win 9 games or more, we would be picking in the 2nd half of the first round; so chances would be that considering Jones' improvement, his cap hit if cut, and lack of better options will result in keeping him.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 05, 2024, 02:39:41 PM4. Ball security: Max of 11/12 INTs if his passing TDs are in the 25-29 range, and a max of 14/15 if he's above 30 passing TDs. Fumbles need to be low/mid single digits again.

5. Risk appetite: Jones will need to take more risky shots downfield and not always opt for the closest receiver. Tyrod Taylor did it last year on the same team, and with Nabers and better O linemen Jones needs to do it this year.

6. Pocket/rush awareness: Jones will have to show marked improvement in this area.

Outside of staying healthy, a combination of these things are what I'd need to see. He needs to show that he can effectively read a defense and is willing and able to take chances down the field without putting the ball in harms way. Basically, show that you can be a difference maker and not just somebody who can look good against bad competition.

It wouldn't hurt if he was wiilling to take a pay cut, since there will be no guaranteed money.

Does anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 12:40:54 PMDoes anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).

Yes.

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 07, 2024, 12:42:34 PMYes.

Since I ended up making the question a bit complicated, you are saying "yes" the Giants will ride with Jones in the situation I described?

A lot rides on the season for Jones. Fans tend to think a QB should "take the game over" and become a gun slinging QB, and "make it all happen". The trouble is, the OC makes the calls, not the QB. Jones will do whatever his coach tells him to do as they design the plays based on the defenses he's facing. The last time I remember a QB calling his own plays (before the hike as well as on the fly) was Roger Staubach, who worked so closely with Tom Landry that their minds were like one. Landry let him go and run the team from the field while giving lightly controlled plans...and it worked. It worked because Staubach was athletic, but more importantly, had a very high football IQ that was inate to him

Jones will never be treated the way Staubach was treated, and he'll march to the step his coaches lay out for him. If he doesn't work out, or gets injured, we'll get to find out what we have in Drew Lock, and I suspect Schoen will be wheeling and dealing to get to the top of the draft for Carson Beck next season. We'll just have to watch the games this season and see what works out. My suspicions are that DJ is on a short rope. I'm rooting for him to excell far beyond the legion of negativity from an impatient fanbase. We shall see

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 12:44:03 PMSince I ended up making the question a bit complicated, you are saying "yes" the Giants will ride with Jones in the situation I described?

If he's putting top ten numbers. Yes. I can see that.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 07, 2024, 12:58:16 PMA lot rides on the season for Jones. Fans tend to think a QB should "take the game over" and become a gun slinging QB, and "make it all happen". The trouble is, the OC makes the calls, not the QB. Jones will do whatever his coach tells him to do as they design the plays based on the defenses he's facing. The last time I remember a QB calling his own plays (before the hike as well as on the fly) was Roger Staubach, who worked so closely with Tom Landry that their minds were like one. Landry let him go and run the team from the field while giving lightly controlled plans...and it worked. It worked because Staubach was athletic, but more importantly, had a very high football IQ that was inate to him

Jones will never be treated the way Staubach was treated, and he'll march to the step his coaches lay out for him. If he doesn't work out, or gets injured, we'll get to find out what we have in Drew Lock, and I suspect Schoen will be wheeling and dealing to get to the top of the draft for Carson Beck next season. We'll just have to watch the games this season and see what works out. My suspicions are that DJ is on a short rope. I'm rooting for him to excell far beyond the legion of negativity from an impatient fanbase. We shall see

Jolly,

The other important part of the play-calling equation is what the QB is comfortable and capable of doing. The OC has to take that into account when calling plays and designing a game plan for the opponent.

If Daniel doesn't instill confidence that he can be that guy from Week 1 to Week 18, there will be a lot of plays left and a lot of skill position talent wasted.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 12:40:54 PMDoes anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).

If he plays like a top ten QB I think the 50+% failure rate for drafted QBs would make it foolish to move on from him.  Discard a top ten QB in search of what, a top three or five QB with the odds stacked against them?  Crazy.  And if they still had a losing season they could continue building out the team and shore up the weak spots that led to the losing season.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 05, 2024, 02:30:37 PMMy best guess-  Jones needs to do what he did in 2022, lead the team to a record that makes it difficult to impossible to draft his replacement

This is the most likely scenario that supports Jones remaining in place. He needs to do just enough to keep drafting a blue chip replacement out of reach leaving the Giants' only other option being replacing him with a long in the tooth has been/never was retread. I suppose the Giants could capture lightning in a bottle with a high risk draft pick in the mid to late first round.

Quote from: TONKA56 on May 08, 2024, 07:49:56 AMThis is the most likely scenario that supports Jones remaining in place. He needs to do just enough to keep drafting a blue chip replacement out of reach leaving the Giants' only other option being replacing him with a long in the tooth has been/never was retread. I suppose the Giants could capture lightning in a bottle with a high risk draft pick in the mid to late first round.

The Giants had that high-risk option with the 3 QBs they passed on in this draft.