Big Blue Huddle

I can almost guarantee you that Jones has more 1 read throws than anyone in the league. Oh wait he may be tied with the bust that drinks mayo in his coffee, either way it's bad.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 12:12:29 PMIn the two clips you posted, you criticized Daniel for not staying with his first read, and then in the second one you criticized him for not looking off his first read, so which is it?

You can't have it both ways?

In the second clip his WR was open at that time of his throw, but the DB closed in on it and made a great play

Come on. Are you really saying that a poster has to take the position that Jones always has to come off his first read or always go with it or they are being inconsistent? That's silly. Jones is a professional, 6th-year veteran QB. He should be making the correct read. Full stop. Coming off his first read too quickly can be a mistake (and I would say it's usually not one he makes, because he stares his first read down the majority of the time... but definitely didn't let Tracy break on his flat route before moving to his next target). Never coming off the first read and forcing it to that player can be a mistake (and probably usually is).

Jones didn't play well last night--in what world is this a controversial opinion? The statistics tell you he played badly (18.2 QBR). Watching the game, after his boneheaded interception, he was rattled and couldn't recover. And again, he showed a complete inability to challenge defenses vertically (last week appears thus far to be the exception to his general ineptitude in this regard this season). Nabers won't make that better. All more talent around Jones will do is cover up his warts, which is what Daboll has been doing since 2022.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 12:12:29 PMIn the two clips you posted, you criticized Daniel for not staying with his first read, and then in the second one you criticized him for not looking off his first read, so which is it?

You can't have it both ways?

In the second clip his WR was open at that time of his throw, but the DB closed in on it and made a great play

I posted one clip, and I have never supported him locking onto his first read.

Do you not see the two wide open receivers?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 14, 2024, 12:52:46 PMCome on. Are you really saying that a poster has to take the position that Jones always has to come off his first read or always go with it or they are being inconsistent? That's silly. Jones is a professional, 6th-year veteran QB. He should be making the correct read. Full stop. Coming off his first read too quickly can be a mistake (and I would say it's usually not one he makes, because he stares his first read down the majority of the time... but definitely didn't let Tracy break on his flat route before moving to his next target). Never coming off the first read and forcing it to that player can be a mistake (and probably usually is).

Jones didn't play well last night--in what world is this a controversial opinion? The statistics tell you he played badly (18.2 QBR). Watching the game, after his boneheaded interception, he was rattled and couldn't recover. And again, he showed a complete inability to challenge defenses vertically (last week appears thus far to be the exception to his general ineptitude in this regard this season). Nabers won't make that better. All more talent around Jones will do is cover up his warts, which is what Daboll has been doing since 2022.

I believe you are cherry picking clips in this regard and not being consistent.

Once again, in a close game, who was responsible for a 56 yard catch and run that was called back for an ineligible reciever?

That destroyed their momentum.

Who was responsible for missing the kicked field goals that were within manageable distance?

Darius Slayton was his number one target, and he did not play good at all, as you can see he doesn't have the body type to out muscle the DB for control.

As I have stated before the interception was on DJ, however may I ask what were his numbers the past 4 games?

There are 11 more games to go, let's see how this transpires

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 14, 2024, 12:54:04 PMI posted one clip, and I have never supported him locking onto his first read.

Do you not see the two wide open receivers?

Of course I see the two open receivers, my point is you have to watch the all 22 which I don't have or have the time for in this regard as I am working.

But, if you have the time to watch it and show me all or at least most of the wide open receivers that he is not seeing, I am more than willing to be open minded to see that.

After work since I have NFL premium plus, ill see if it's an option that I can watch and ill let you know what I find

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 14, 2024, 12:54:04 PMI posted one clip, and I have never supported him locking onto his first read.

Do you not see the two wide open receivers?

Also since I'm working can you find out how many dropped passes the Giants had? I'm curious to know this stat as well

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 14, 2024, 12:38:55 PMI can almost guarantee you that Jones has more 1 read throws than anyone in the league. Oh wait he may be tied with the bust that drinks mayo in his coffee, either way it's bad.

You think you might want to let the dude play a full NFL season first before calling him a bust? And Eli used to put ketchup on his hot dogs ...yuck!

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 01:30:22 PMI believe you are cherry picking clips in this regard and not being consistent.

Once again, in a close game, who was responsible for a 56 yard catch and run that was called back for an ineligible reciever?

That destroyed their momentum.

Who was responsible for missing the kicked field goals that were within manageable distance?

Darius Slayton was his number one target, and he did not play good at all, as you can see he doesn't have the body type to out muscle the DB for control.

As I have stated before the interception was on DJ, however may I ask what were his numbers the past 4 games?

There are 11 more games to go, let's see how this transpires

What do you want to see? Jones is who he is. He was a hail marry play by Shurmur and Gettleman to save their hides.

Eli's late Giants teams were horrible thanks to bad coaching and GMing. They saw in Jones someone who would use his body as a human pinball on a second and inches play. Who would use his head as a battering ram against LBers and get concussed. Eli would just take the sack and, if truth be known he earned that ironman award by leaving plays on the field.

Eli was great when you had decent rosters and Gilbride's offense. Eli wasn't so good when you used Mcadoo playbook from his high school football days. Shurmur wasn't much better. He saw in Jones someone who could single-handed win some games by putting it all on the line. 6 years later and Mara's pet lap dog and we're stuck with a QB who never really evolved much past that.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 01:30:22 PMI believe you are cherry picking clips in this regard and not being consistent.

Once again, in a close game, who was responsible for a 56 yard catch and run that was called back for an ineligible reciever?

That destroyed their momentum.

Who was responsible for missing the kicked field goals that were within manageable distance?

Darius Slayton was his number one target, and he did not play good at all, as you can see he doesn't have the body type to out muscle the DB for control.

As I have stated before the interception was on DJ, however may I ask what were his numbers the past 4 games?

There are 11 more games to go, let's see how this transpires

I've cherry-picked nothing. Go back and look at what I said: Jones should make the right read. Sometimes the correct read is letting the route develop, sometimes it is moving through the progression. Your implication that one is being inconsistent for acknowledging this is silly in my estimation.

Say whatever you want about the "reasons" for offensive ineptitude (which seemingly shift every loss to accommodate an argument that minimizes Jones's shortcomings). No matter what way you slice and dice it, Daniel Jones leads the 29th-ranked scoring offense in the NFL. I'll indulge your past four weeks request: the Giants scored 18, 21, 15, 23. What a juggernaut! Come on! This still isn't even league-average. The offensive product put on the field is an embarrassment.

The fact that you won't extrapolate his stats this week tells me what I need to know about his performance on the year.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 01:54:16 PMAlso since I'm working can you find out how many dropped passes the Giants had? I'm curious to know this stat as well

Where is your weekly stats topic?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 14, 2024, 02:39:24 PMI've cherry-picked nothing. Go back and look at what I said: Jones should make the right read. Sometimes the correct read is letting the route develop, sometimes it is moving through the progression. Your implication that one is being inconsistent for acknowledging this is silly in my estimation.

Say whatever you want about the "reasons" for offensive ineptitude (which seemingly shift every loss to accommodate an argument that minimizes Jones's shortcomings). No matter what way you slice and dice it, Daniel Jones leads the 29th-ranked scoring offense in the NFL. I'll indulge your past four weeks request: the Giants scored 18, 21, 15, 23. What a juggernaut! Come on! This still isn't even league-average. The offensive product put on the field is an embarrassment.

The fact that you won't extrapolate his stats this week tells me what I need to know about his performance on the year.

Hi

I asked for his numbers the past 4 games prior to this one, and you instead posted the last 4 games teams offensive points scored.

This is what we call deflection.

Were all his progressions and reads wrong the entire game? Or just a few? This is what we call cherry picking.

How were his progressions and reads the last 4 games? Why just cherry pick this game?

You can have the last word, eleven more games to go, let's see what happens?


 

Quote from: MrGap92 on October 14, 2024, 02:49:41 PMWhere is your weekly stats topic?

May I ask why don't you post it for the board?

Also when he has a good game and I share it, why does it bother you?

Hmmmm I wonder why?

I'm still waiting for an answer to the previous questions I asked you?

I'll let you have the last word, take care

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 03:00:17 PMHi

I asked for his numbers the past 4 games prior to this one, and you instead posted the last 4 games teams offensive points scored.

Just because you ask for something doesn't mean I'm obliged to provide it. I'm not your squire. You can post them if you feel them so revealing.

I'm a fan of the New York Giants, not just whoever happens to be the quarterback at any given time. I think the offensive output of the team Daniel Jones helms is more telling than whether he completed a bunch of short passes. Feel free to disagree--and you can state affirmatively that he's leading an offense that continually puts the Giants in position to win games if you feel that way. I anticipate you can't and won't.

QuoteWere all his progressions and reads wrong the entire game? Or just a few? This is what we call cherry picking.

How were his progressions and reads the last 4 games? Why just cherry pick this game?

You complain that I'm deflecting then come out with this? You're getting farther and farther from the point. I'll say again what I've said twice now (and which I think you can't reasonably contest, hence why you do something like this): it is not inconsistent to say that is sometimes the correct read to let a route develop and not come off it too quickly, and at other times to move past the read and through your progression. Again, feel free to disagree. But asking a series of questions instead of stating affirmatively your position is avoidance in my estimation. PFF, QBR, eye-test... everything confirms he had a bad game. A litany of questions won't change that or make his bad game less of a certainty.

QuoteYou can have the last word, eleven more games to go, let's see what happens?

Bad game? Let's see what happens. Good game? Wow, what a good game and better post those stats.

Disparity in approach is telling.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 01:30:22 PMI believe you are cherry picking clips in this regard and not being consistent.

Once again, in a close game, who was responsible for a 56 yard catch and run that was called back for an ineligible reciever?

That destroyed their momentum.

Who was responsible for missing the kicked field goals that were within manageable distance?

Darius Slayton was his number one target, and he did not play good at all, as you can see he doesn't have the body type to out muscle the DB for control.

As I have stated before the interception was on DJ, however may I ask what were his numbers the past 4 games?

There are 11 more games to go, let's see how this transpires

Ironic, isn't it? 

Quote from: sxdxca38 on October 14, 2024, 03:03:22 PMMay I ask why don't you post it for the board?

Also when he has a good game and I share it, why does it bother you?

Hmmmm I wonder why?

I'm still waiting for an answer to the previous questions I asked you?

I'll let you have the last word, take care

I am not your secretary. If you want the information, you have the ability to find it I am sure of it. I already shared an example that was frequent all night.

Also, I was more pointing how you cherry pick the good weeks to make the topic, and avoid it on the bad ones, talk about not consistent!