Offensive Play Calling

[MightyGiants]

When Daboll was talking to JJ, he commented on how the long play call was too much and how, in his system, it's just one word.   When receivers and QBs talk about how challenging Daboll's system is to learn, that is mainly what they are talking about.  There are two schools of playcalling.  There is the Harbaugh way, where each play is called out in great detail (meaning it's a very long play call).  It's easier to learn the system because the QB is basically describing the play in the call.   The other system favored by Daboll shortens everything up.   Making the play call so short challenges offensive players to memorize more of the playbook.  The reward for the extra memorization is the plays can be relayed in and called much quicker.  It's likely why you don't see the Giants get a lot of delay of game penalties.  Plus, the added time on the offense gives the QBs and receivers more time to read the defense.

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[Philosophers]

You cant draw conclusions from these soundbites.  Only hearing part of it.  Not sure why folks think they can.

[MightyGiants]

You cant draw conclusions from these soundbites.  Only hearing part of it.  Not sure why folks think they can.

Joe,

I have to strongly disagree with you on this one.  In terms of Daniel's acumen, I partially agree with you, but in this one, we had all the information that was needed.   As I said, this debate in terms of how long a play call is going to be and the tradeoffs between simplicity in calling the play vs more memorization has long been an issue in football (both NFL and college)

[Ed Vette]

The easy verbiage has its pitfalls. It requires every player to not only know the play call but how to execute it. It requires thinking and if one or more players screw it up, the play is doomed.

The QB is the smartest man in the huddle but some Receivers can be dumb as a post.

The Play call consists of formation, play type, alignment, scheme and protection and cadence. It tells the RB where to line up and it tells motion. It tells routes and read order and checkdowns. That's why many QB's will wear wristbands to call out the play. Reading it wrong or missing a key element creates confusion. That's why Daboll asked the QB's to repeat the play call.

You don't want your primary read running a post when he should be running a slant. Or the RB thinking he's in Pass Protection instead of releasing to the Flat. Or a TE or Lineman blocking wrong on a Jet Sweep. 

My preference would be to read the call and each players picks up on the portion of it that pertains to them. I've seen too many vanilla plays called where the viewer knows what the call is. IMO that's been the case for years with this team and when Daboll took off the training wheels last season, execution broke down on many levels. But what do I know. I don't get paid to do this xxxx.

[MightyGiants]

The easy verbiage has its pitfalls. It requires every player to not only know the play call but how to execute it. It requires thinking and if one or more players screw it up, the play is doomed.

The QB is the smartest man in the huddle but some Receivers can be dumb as a post.

The Play call consists of formation, play type, alignment, scheme and protection and cadence. It tells the RB where to line up and it tells motion. It tells routes and read order and checkdowns. That's why many QB's will wear wristbands to call out the play. Reading it wrong or missing a key element creates confusion. That's why Daboll asked the QB's to repeat the play call.

You don't want your primary read running a post when he should be running a slant. Or the RB thinking he's in Pass Protection instead of releasing to the Flat. Or a TE or Lineman blocking wrong on a Jet Sweep. 

My preference would be to read the call and each players picks up on the portion of it that pertains to them. I've seen too many vanilla plays called where the viewer knows what the call is. IMO that's been the case for years with this team and when Daboll took off the training wheels last season, execution broke down on many levels. But what do I know. I don't get paid to do this xxxx.

In my opinion, is I think the debate is a bit of a chocolate vs vanilla argument.  Each side has valid pluses and minuses.   I think one of the reasons Schoen is seeking players who are SMART, though, and dependable is with Daboll's play-calling preferences in mind.