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Best guess on how each QB-Needy team will fill their need

Started by MightyGiants, February 17, 2025, 09:39:53 AM

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1)  The Titans (effective cap space $36 million):  This is a team that is not good at all on the offensive side of the ball.  It would make sense for the Titans to stand pat or maybe take a flyer on one of the lower-tier draft prospects.   They need to build their line and receivers before adding a QB.   I wouldn't be shocked to see the Titans trade down for more draft capital next year (with intentions of getting their QB then)

2) The Browns  (effective cap space $-39 million):  They are in cap hell.  They need to shed salary.  They might draft a QB at 2 for the excitement factor alone.   Look for them to sign a low-level bridge QB and look to the draft.  I could see the Browns grabbing Cousins if the Falcons opt to just cut him.

3)  The Giants (effective cap space $32 million):  They are not a win now team.  If Schoen is true to his word an aging veteran QB is not in the cards.  They will likely draft a mid-level veteran like Mariota (or Fields if he can be signed for a reasonable price) and look to the draft for their QB of the future.  It could be round one or two (at the latest).  Look at one of the top 3 QBs in round one.  The lesser QB is anyone's guess.

4)  The Jets (effective cap space $11 million):  The Jets could ride with Tyrod Taylor as their bridge QB.  Otherwise, look for the Jets to try and acquire a QB in round one or day two at the latest.

5)  The Raiders (effective cap space $68.5 million).  There is talent on the line and with Brock Bowers at TE.  This seems like a natural landing spot for Sam Darnold, as he would be surrounded by talent, and signing him would allow the Raiders to gain maximum value with their 6th overall pick.  The Raiders could field a potent offense if they took RB Ashton Jeanty with the 6th pick and have Darnold at QB. 

6) Seahawks (effective cap space $-17 million):  I see them as major players in a day two QB.  I don't see them signing a bridge QB as they have Geno Smith

7) Steelers (effective cap space $50 million):  This is another potential landing spot for Sam Darnold.  This could also be the spot an aging veteran like Rodgers might land.  A dark horse candidate would be signing Daniel Jones as a bridge QB.  If Dart falls to the Steelers in the draft, I think this would be his floor, as I don't see the Steelers passing on him.  Otherwise, they are another team in the day two QB hunt.

Teams with lesser QB needs

The Dolphins:  Dillon Gabriel seems like the perfect match to go with Tua

The Panthers:  They could use a veteran.  I could see this as another potential landing spot for Daniel Jones as he is from the area and would be a good veteran to backup Bryce Young

The Saints:  They are in cap hell, and they have Carr.  So forget them being players in the veteran QB market. Another team that is likely to pursue a day two QB, but I would watch them if someone like Dart were to fall to them.

Rams:  The currently have Stafford.  I could see them grabbing Dart should he fall or taking one of the day two QBs.   

Colts:  They have Richardson.  I could see them bringing in someone like Fields to compete with him.  Maybe even another potential spot for Daniel Jones.

As for Daniel Jones, I think that his most likely landing spot is to stay with the Vikings.  The Vikings likely let Darnold walk and allow Jones to be JJ's backup/veteran mentor

Stafford:  I think he most likely stays with the Rams

Cousins:  I see the Falcons holding him until after the draft. Some team will likely miss out at QB between the draft and free agency.  At that point, there may be value for a team.  They might even wait until an injury

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Quote from: MightyGiants on February 17, 2025, 09:39:53 AM3)  The Giants (effective cap space $32 million):  They are not a win now team.  If Schoen is true to his word an aging veteran QB is not in the cards.  They will likely draft a mid-level veteran like Mariota (or Fields if he can be signed for a reasonable price) and look to the draft for their QB of the future.  It could be round one or two (at the latest).  Look at one of the top 3 QBs in round one.  The lesser QB is anyone's guess.

Rich: First (and sadly), I see a high potential for the Giants to do the "we-know-better-than-conventional-wisdom" dance this year... the same dance that resulted in the selection of Daniel Jones.

Second, when you have such a high pick, you either see a QB worth that pick or you don't. If they do, then see paragraph one (because I sure don't). lol

Third, if you don't see a QB worth Pick Three, then you look to trade up* into round one from below, but you will be getting a QB who was passed up by several QB-needy teams, which should be a huge red flag, so good luck with that approach, which again requires me to refer you to paragraph one. lol

Bob

* Trading down in the first round should never be a "plan" for this draft; it's rare to get your money's-worth, and when your team has a lot of holes, IMO the first order of business should be to get a player who is as close as possible to a "sure-thing" so you are certain to come out of the draft with at least one fewer hole to fill next year (in other words, one step closer to filling all of your holes).
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Quote from: Bob In PA on February 17, 2025, 12:05:03 PMRich: First (and sadly), I see a high potential for the Giants to do the "we-know-better-than-conventional-wisdom" dance this year... the same dance that resulted in the selection of Daniel Jones.

Second, when you have such a high pick, you either see a QB worth that pick or you don't. If they do, then see paragraph one (because I sure don't). lol 

Third, if you don't see a QB worth Pick Three, then you look to trade up* into round one from below, but you will be getting a QB who was passed up by several QB-needy teams, which should be a huge red flag, so good luck with that approach, which again requires me to refer you to paragraph one. lol

Bob

* Trading down in the first round should never be a "plan" for this draft; it's rare to get your money's-worth, and when your team has a lot of holes, IMO the first order of business should be to get a player who is as close as possible to a "sure-thing" so you are certain to come out of the draft with at least one fewer hole to fill next year (in other words, one step closer to filling all of your holes).


Bob,


I reluctantly included the Giants.  Many have their opinions of what they will or should do.  I was more focused on the other teams.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on February 17, 2025, 09:39:53 AM1)  The Titans (effective cap space $36 million):  This is a team that is not good at all on the offensive side of the ball.  It would make sense for the Titans to stand pat or maybe take a flyer on one of the lower-tier draft prospects.   They need to build their line and receivers before adding a QB.   I wouldn't be shocked to see the Titans trade down for more draft capital next year (with intentions of getting their QB then)

2) The Browns  (effective cap space $-39 million):  They are in cap hell.  They need to shed salary.  They might draft a QB at 2 for the excitement factor alone.   Look for them to sign a low-level bridge QB and look to the draft.  I could see the Browns grabbing Cousins if the Falcons opt to just cut him.

3)  The Giants (effective cap space $32 million):  They are not a win now team.  If Schoen is true to his word an aging veteran QB is not in the cards.  They will likely draft a mid-level veteran like Mariota (or Fields if he can be signed for a reasonable price) and look to the draft for their QB of the future.  It could be round one or two (at the latest).  Look at one of the top 3 QBs in round one.  The lesser QB is anyone's guess.

4)  The Jets (effective cap space $11 million):  The Jets could ride with Tyrod Taylor as their bridge QB.  Otherwise, look for the Jets to try and acquire a QB in round one or day two at the latest.

5)  The Raiders (effective cap space $68.5 million).  There is talent on the line and with Brock Bowers at TE.  This seems like a natural landing spot for Sam Darnold, as he would be surrounded by talent, and signing him would allow the Raiders to gain maximum value with their 6th overall pick.  The Raiders could field a potent offense if they took RB Ashton Jeanty with the 6th pick and have Darnold at QB. 

6) Seahawks (effective cap space $-17 million):  I see them as major players in a day two QB.  I don't see them signing a bridge QB as they have Geno Smith

7) Steelers (effective cap space $50 million):  This is another potential landing spot for Sam Darnold.  This could also be the spot an aging veteran like Rodgers might land.  A dark horse candidate would be signing Daniel Jones as a bridge QB.  If Dart falls to the Steelers in the draft, I think this would be his floor, as I don't see the Steelers passing on him.  Otherwise, they are another team in the day two QB hunt.

Teams with lesser QB needs

The Dolphins:  Dillon Gabriel seems like the perfect match to go with Tua

The Panthers:  They could use a veteran.  I could see this as another potential landing spot for Daniel Jones as he is from the area and would be a good veteran to backup Bryce Young

The Saints:  They are in cap hell, and they have Carr.  So forget them being players in the veteran QB market. Another team that is likely to pursue a day two QB, but I would watch them if someone like Dart were to fall to them.

Rams:  The currently have Stafford.  I could see them grabbing Dart should he fall or taking one of the day two QBs.   

Colts:  They have Richardson.  I could see them bringing in someone like Fields to compete with him.  Maybe even another potential spot for Daniel Jones.

As for Daniel Jones, I think that his most likely landing spot is to stay with the Vikings.  The Vikings likely let Darnold walk and allow Jones to be JJ's backup/veteran mentor

Stafford:  I think he most likely stays with the Rams

Cousins:  I see the Falcons holding him until after the draft. Some team will likely miss out at QB between the draft and free agency.  At that point, there may be value for a team.  They might even wait until an injury


Well-considered and reasonable enough for me to not want to stick a wet finger in it.

Cheers!

Painter

Quote from: Bob In PA on February 17, 2025, 12:05:03 PMRich: First (and sadly), I see a high potential for the Giants to do the "we-know-better-than-conventional-wisdom" dance this year... the same dance that resulted in the selection of Daniel Jones.

Second, when you have such a high pick, you either see a QB worth that pick or you don't. If they do, then see paragraph one (because I sure don't). lol

Third, if you don't see a QB worth Pick Three, then you look to trade up* into round one from below, but you will be getting a QB who was passed up by several QB-needy teams, which should be a huge red flag, so good luck with that approach, which again requires me to refer you to paragraph one. lol

Bob

* Trading down in the first round should never be a "plan" for this draft; it's rare to get your money's-worth, and when your team has a lot of holes, IMO the first order of business should be to get a player who is as close as possible to a "sure-thing" so you are certain to come out of the draft with at least one fewer hole to fill next year (in other words, one step closer to filling all of your holes).

Roberto,

First, I don't buy the notion of "conventional wisdom" as in whose? as compared to second-guessing, which needs no such question.

Second, You got that right, so why not leave it at that?

Third, not at a lot to argue about there that isn't posed gratuitously.

Cheers!

Bob In PA

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Quote from: Painter on February 17, 2025, 05:44:05 PMI don't buy the notion of "conventional wisdom" as in whose? as compared to second-guessing, which needs no such question.


Larry: The consensus could change between now and draft day (combines will be factored in), but precious few among us (or among so-called "draft experts") are currently arguing that any of this year's QB's are truly worth using one of the top three picks. That doesn't mean a team won't actually use one of those picks on a QB, of course, but where a player goes in the draft is only partly (at best) indicative of his value in relationship to the value of the other players. Bob
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MightyGiants

Quote from: Bob In PA on February 17, 2025, 12:05:03 PMRich: First (and sadly), I see a high potential for the Giants to do the "we-know-better-than-conventional-wisdom" dance this year... the same dance that resulted in the selection of Daniel Jones.

Second, when you have such a high pick, you either see a QB worth that pick or you don't. If they do, then see paragraph one (because I sure don't). lol

Third, if you don't see a QB worth Pick Three, then you look to trade up* into round one from below, but you will be getting a QB who was passed up by several QB-needy teams, which should be a huge red flag, so good luck with that approach, which again requires me to refer you to paragraph one. lol

Bob

* Trading down in the first round should never be a "plan" for this draft; it's rare to get your money's-worth, and when your team has a lot of holes, IMO the first order of business should be to get a player who is as close as possible to a "sure-thing" so you are certain to come out of the draft with at least one fewer hole to fill next year (in other words, one step closer to filling all of your holes).

Bob,

I will confess for decades that I have been of the school that when your team has lots of holes, you should trade down to gain more draft capital.


Then there was the 2021 trade down Gettleman and Judge engineered, where they passed on  Edge Parsons (Dallas) and LT Sewell (Chargers), and the Giants acquired Toney.  Worse than passing on real talent and settling for a head case bust, the prize of the trade (the 7th overall pick in the next draft) was spent on bust OT Evan Neal.   

That whole disaster has somewhat soured me on the whole, "let us trade down to get more picks" approach to drafting.
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Bob In PA

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2025, 11:22:50 AMBob,

I will confess for decades that I have been of the school that when your team has lots of holes, you should trade down to gain more draft capital.


Then there was the 2021 trade down Gettleman and Judge engineered, where they passed on  Edge Parsons (Dallas) and LT Sewell (Chargers), and the Giants acquired Toney.  Worse than passing on real talent and settling for a head case bust, the prize of the trade (the 7th overall pick in the next draft) was spent on bust OT Evan Neal.   

That whole disaster has somewhat soured me on the whole, "let us trade down to get more picks" approach to drafting.

Rich: Stop reminding me. lol That was the year the E-a-hole-gles jumped over us for Smith, was it not? Bob
If Jeff Hostetler could do it, Daniel Jones can do it !!!

Rosehill Jimmy

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 18, 2025, 11:22:50 AMBob,

I will confess for decades that I have been of the school that when your team has lots of holes, you should trade down to gain more draft capital.


Then there was the 2021 trade down Gettleman and Judge engineered, where they passed on  Edge Parsons (Dallas) and LT Sewell (Chargers), and the Giants acquired Toney.  Worse than passing on real talent and settling for a head case bust, the prize of the trade (the 7th overall pick in the next draft) was spent on bust OT Evan Neal.   

That whole disaster has somewhat soured me on the whole, "let us trade down to get more picks" approach to drafting.

Slater to LAC, not Sewell. Hell, at #20 they could have had Darrisaw and obviate the need for Neal the following year. When you look at who they then could have chosen from with the #7 pick it's enough to make you sick
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Pittsburgh radio host Andrew Fillipponi reported Tuesday that the Steelers are interested in ex-Giants quarterback Daniel Jones and detailed why the former first-round pick could be a good in the Steel City.

"There's interest in former Giants QB Daniel Jones inside the Steelers organization," Fillipponi said on X. "Quote: '[The Steelers] could do a lot worse than Jones.' With the belief he actually is a good fit for Arthur Smith's offense. And Mike Tomlin's preference for a mobile quarterback."

https://nypost.com/2025/02/19/sports/daniel-jones-becomes-wild-card-in-steelers-muddled-quarterback-chase/
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