Todd McShay's Mock Draft for NYG

[kingm56]

This to me is a dream scenario.  I would be over the moon if it played out exactly like that.  I don't think it will, I think Dart goes in the top 10, but this would be perfect.

Milroe seemed to have done very well at his pro day.  If they're trading back into the back end of the 1st round I could see them doing it for him as well.  Especially if they end up getting a vet like Wilson that can allow Milroe to sit and learn for a year.

Same here, GMO!!  Although, I prefer Carter to Hunter; yet, if the Giants acquire a blue-chip prospect AND Dart, I will be elated.

[LennG]

Cou t me in that club also.
Overall I like Dart the best right now and if we don't have to use our #3  to get him so much the better.

[Painter]

I have no idea what SchoenCorp is planning to do at QB but I would favor a Vet/Rook combo with Wilson or Winston as QB1 and Dart as QB2 for whatever length of time. Other than that, I am in the "Anyone but Rodgers" camp. And should he be so craven, I will join the "Anyone but Schoen" camp from there on.

One other thing, if they don't take a QB at 3, I am less inclined to think they will take Hunter there as bpa given the addition of CB- Paulson Adebo in FA.

Cheers!

[nb587]

Not knowing much about the QBs except what I read, here's my question.  Assuming this factor is true,  is Dart moving up the draft because of his talent and/or Sanders perceived flaws?  Or, is Sanders perceived deficiencies moving him downwards towards Dart's level?

[Jclayton92]

I'm a diehard Ole miss fan and a huge believer in Dart, but if you don't take Dart at number 3 then take the blue chip, use the 5 picks in the top 105 and build this team out then use whatever capital you need to in 2026 to get your Qb.

I know some are down on schoen but his FA and trades have always been really solid and this past draft was phenomenal. I don't put the 1st draft on schoen as those were blue chip prospects by virtually everyone. If they nail the top 5 picks this year then we can make some real movement as a team.

[Jclayton92]

Ive seen some different takes the past couple of weeks about the oline last year with a few misconceptions, so I thought id clarify everything. The oline was actually really solid for the first 5 1/2 games until Andrew Thomas went down. Even with Jones notoriously taking bad sacks, the oline was really solid. I went back and found the comparative rankings week by week from 2024.

Week 3:
We were 1 of 5 teams to have an overall win rate above 70%. The Saints, Eagles, Ravens, and Colts plus us which ranked us in the top 5 by week 3.

Week 6:
The Andrew Thomas injury dropped our win rate as we fell to 18th but far from trash given how horrible our Qb play has been.

Our overall Oline play fluctuated in-between 13 and and 17 the first 5 weeks of the season before falling off to injury.

A top five win rate with overall line play around rank 13-17 with pieces off the street, a brand new oline coach, and horrible Qb play to start the season before the guys really had a chance to develop chemistry.

That was trash? I'll admit i am a glass half full kind of guy, but we were making huge strides with the line before the Thomas injury. We always played from behind and all of our qbs were not good, which really hurt us, and despite that they were still playing well until injury. The run game was actually thriving even when we had injuries, Tracey was still getting chunk yards. Was the oline perfect? Absolutely not, was it significantly better than previous years with our new oline coach? Yes absolutely, so wouldn't it stand to reason that with an extra year under his belt, and the same line coming back that they would be even better? One would like to think so.

I think that is significant reason for optimism that if healthy, we have an oline coach in place thas at minimum will have a solid oline for 2025.

Week 3 line rankings, every stat you could want for oline play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1ft2297/comparative_offensive_line_ratings_rankings/

Week 6 line rankings, every stat you could want for oline play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1g0fyl8/week_6_comparative_offensive_line_ratings_rankings/

[Bob In PA]

The top Draft Guru thinks Sanders is the second pick of the draft? Ok...

Ed: It's a matter of short supply combined with sheer desperation.

I wouldn't blame ANY team for taking a shot at Ward. Sanders or Dart in the top three, but they're simply not "sure things" and our jobs aren't hanging in the balance.

This year's draft could be a wild ride of multiple surprises because of the above, or it could turn out (much more likely, IMO) as a case of "cooler heads prevailing" and the players could come off in the order of their abilities, overall competence and certainty that they will have immediate impact in the NFL.

Bob

PS. Forgot to mention: all of the pre-draft events that remain. Teams get to see players up-close-and-personal. There is no doubt these events can have a serious effect on a GM's willingness to step out of line and take a chance on a player that, up to this point, has been evaluated lower than they deserved.

[Ed Vette]

Ed: It's a matter of short supply combined with sheer desperation.

I wouldn't blame ANY team for taking a shot at Ward. Sanders or Dart in the top three, but they're simply not "sure things" and our jobs aren't hanging in the balance.

This year's draft could be a wild ride of multiple surprises because of the above, or it could turn out (much more likely, IMO) as a case of "cooler heads prevailing" and the players could come off in the order of their abilities, overall competence and certainty that they will have immediate impact in the NFL.

Bob

PS. Forgot to mention: all of the pre-draft events that remain. Teams get to see players up-close-and-personal. There is no doubt these events can have a serious effect on a GM's willingness to step out of line and take a chance on a player that, up to this point, has been evaluated lower than they deserved.

The success of the 2024 Class is fresh in the minds of talent evaluators. Teams I expect, will have a more pragmatic evaluation and actually watch film.

[Bob In PA]

the Giants aren't as desperate for Hunter's services as they were just a couple weeks ago, before the team added corner Paulson Adebo and re-signed wideout Darius Slayton.

The above is an excerpt from McShay's quote as posted by @MightyGiants

It's clearly a true statement as a starting point, but IMO his implied takeaway from it doesn't necessarily follow.

Shoring up WR & CB is likely a reflection of the obvious... the team was seriously short-handed at WR2 and CB before making those moves. It IMO has nothing to do with how they evaluate Hunter (or Carter, or anyone else).

In short, I believe it's easy when you hold Pick Three to plan for all eventualities, which are: (1) both picks ahead of you are QBs; (2) one pick ahead of you is a QB; (3) neither pick ahead of you is a QB.

Next, decide if you're open to trading up or trading down. Assuming the answer to both questions is "no" then all that remains is to rank your top three QBs and top three non-QBs in this draft.... voila, you're done preparing for Pick Three.

Bob

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/TheGiantTopic/status/1903105149142290940

[Philosophers]

Ive seen some different takes the past couple of weeks about the oline last year with a few misconceptions, so I thought id clarify everything. The oline was actually really solid for the first 5 1/2 games until Andrew Thomas went down. Even with Jones notoriously taking bad sacks, the oline was really solid. I went back and found the comparative rankings week by week from 2024.

Week 3:
We were 1 of 5 teams to have an overall win rate above 70%. The Saints, Eagles, Ravens, and Colts plus us which ranked us in the top 5 by week 3.

Week 6:
The Andrew Thomas injury dropped our win rate as we fell to 18th but far from trash given how horrible our Qb play has been.

Our overall Oline play fluctuated in-between 13 and and 17 the first 5 weeks of the season before falling off to injury.

A top five win rate with overall line play around rank 13-17 with pieces off the street, a brand new oline coach, and horrible Qb play to start the season before the guys really had a chance to develop chemistry.

That was trash? I'll admit i am a glass half full kind of guy, but we were making huge strides with the line before the Thomas injury. We always played from behind and all of our qbs were not good, which really hurt us, and despite that they were still playing well until injury. The run game was actually thriving even when we had injuries, Tracey was still getting chunk yards. Was the oline perfect? Absolutely not, was it significantly better than previous years with our new oline coach? Yes absolutely, so wouldn't it stand to reason that with an extra year under his belt, and the same line coming back that they would be even better? One would like to think so.

I think that is significant reason for optimism that if healthy, we have an oline coach in place thas at minimum will have a solid oline for 2025.

Week 3 line rankings, every stat you could want for oline play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/1ft2297/comparative_offensive_line_ratings_rankings/

Week 6 line rankings, every stat you could want for oline play.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1g0fyl8/week_6_comparative_offensive_line_ratings_rankings/

Jess - you're making our point.  Under the best conditions, the OL is average.  Best conditions last what 3 games, then the decline.  Folks need to stop thinking we can be average for a full season because we cant.  Injuries always happen.

[Ed Vette]

Jess - you're making our point.  Under the best conditions, the OL is average.  Best conditions last what 3 games, then the decline.  Folks need to stop thinking we can be average for a full season because we cant.  Injuries always happen.

I'm concerned too. I would have hoped that there was an upgrade at every position, but I know that's not feasible. JMS, VR, and Runyan would be nice backups. Elumemunor is a decent Pass Blocker who was actually better at LT than RT. Rolling out the same five might be better with continuity. If healthy, perhaps they can be a 15-20 Pass Blocking unit, but they are poor at Run Blocking and that's a problem. 

[Jclayton92]

Jess - you're making our point.  Under the best conditions, the OL is average.  Best conditions last what 3 games, then the decline.  Folks need to stop thinking we can be average for a full season because we cant.  Injuries always happen.

There's a big difference in average and the absolute worst line ever. We can all agree that we need depth, every team needs depth. I doubt very few teams could survive their premiere LT or even multiple olinemen going down. When healthy it seems as if our new oline coach has done his job, and created a line that is significantly better than previous years and they are bound to improve with time. So this ends up being more of a training staff issue needing to keep guys healthy. I expect them to draft a tackle prospect for depth, as they seem to like Kubas as the guard depth.