Does The Drafting Of Dart Automatically Mean

[Brooklyn Dave]

That Schoen and Daboll will be back for another season after the 2025 season ?

Dart will sit this year and learn and Schoen and  especially Daboll could legitimly say to Mara that we got our QB for the future so let me  develop him. I made Josh Allen into what he is today, I can do the same with Dart.

[EDjohnst1981]

I think so, although they will likely need 4-5 wins but it was a pick with the future in mind.

If they were on a true hot seat, I don't think they'd have selected him. They would have taken a day 1 contributor.

[londonblue]

90% probable in my view. If they seem to lose the locker room/we have chaos that could change. A few more wins from a potentially tough schedule would push it up to near 100%.

[Ed Vette]

Yes, unless there is a meltdown. As for sitting a year, the kid is a competitor who is the last one to leave 10:30 at night. He's smart and will push to start. Wilson and Winston will need to be on their game with this kid.

[MightyGiants]

I don't think Dart will make a difference.  If the team doesn't look significantly better after being a top spender in free agency and having top draft capital, I could see Schoen and Daboll being gone.

[Bob In PA]

That Schoen and Daboll will be back for another season after the 2025 season ?

Dart will sit this year and learn and Schoen and  especially Daboll could legitimly say to Mara that we got our QB for the future so let me  develop him. I made Josh Allen into what he is today, I can do the same with Dart.

Dave: I see others disagree with me, but it's a savvy observation.

Dart is IMO a 2-year project, and the strong argument next year (almost no matter what happens in the regular season) will be that you don't change teachers (or systems) in the middle of a 2-year project, the success of which is of the utmost importance to the team.

In fact, there's a tiny voice in my head telling me Daboll's position with the team is far more secure with Dart as the pick than with any other QB this year who is viewed as a likely day-one starter (if any of them are - I suppose Ward is viewed that way).

Bob

[Brooklyn Dave]

Dave: I see others disagree with me, but it's a savvy observation.

Dart is IMO a 2-year project, and the strong argument next year (almost no matter what happens in the regular season) will be that you don't change teachers (or systems) in the middle of a 2-year project, the success of which is of the utmost importance to the team.

In fact, there's a tiny voice in my head telling me Daboll's position with the team is far more secure with Dart as the pick than with any other QB this year who is viewed as a likely day-one starter (if any of them are - I suppose Ward is viewed that way).

Bob

I also think that the Manning connection is strong

[DaveBrown74]

Automatically? No. If this season is another train wreck, both will be gone. The new GM will have a high pick in a QB-rich year and will either be able to keep Dart and take a position player, or possibly trade Dart and draft "his guy."

I think as long as the team shows some sort of improvement though, possibly even just three more wins to be 6-11, they're probably both going to be back. Asking Dart to sit out a year to learn the Giants' current offense and become comfortable with the current coaching staff, only to turn all that on its head in his second year before he's had much experience would be far from idea.

The Giants have the hardest schedule in the league (depending on how you measure it, but either way it's right up there). Six wins is no picnic. They're the worst team in a tough division, and their out of division schedule includes the Chiefs, 9ers, Packers, Bolts, Vikes, Lions, and Broncs. Plus the small number of easier games they have are basically all road games. If Vegas were setting lines right now, they would be an underdog in all 17 games.

I know all of this is more or less a formula but it still astonishes me that a team with the worst record in the league could have this schedule.

[katkavage]

I don't think Dart will make a difference.  If the team doesn't look significantly better after being a top spender in free agency and having top draft capital, I could see Schoen and Daboll being gone.

It would be gross mismanagement if they kept their jobs if they endure a 5-6 win season or less.

[kingm56]

It would be gross mismanagement if they kept their jobs if they endure a 5-6 win season or less.

Are you still that pessimistic even after none of your "selling out the franchise to save their jobs" predictions materialized? I can see a case for the head coach being on the hot seat, but if this year's draft class matches 2024 in production and upside, there's no scenario in which Schoen deserves to be fired. His process and selections this spring have been spot-on.  Would you have done anything different this offseason/draft than Schoen? 

[katkavage]

Are you still that pessimistic even after none of your "selling out the franchise to save their jobs" predictions materialized? I can see a case for the head coach being on the hot seat, but if this year's draft class matches 2024 in production and upside, there's no scenario in which Schoen deserves to be fired. His process and selections this spring have been spot-on.

Are you still the mouthpiece for the Giants? No, I tend to deal in reality, not the Giants bubble. The Giants will be playing a brutal schedule this year. They have made some very good off season moves. Carter was a no brainer. But this is the NFL where it's not what you do today, March, and in pre season. It will matter beginning in September. As I said, if they only win 5...or at best, six games, they should not keep their jobs. That would be three very bad losing seasons. So no, they should be fired if that occurs. And if they aren't, yes that is gross mismanagement. If you are deciding today that they secured their jobs for two years you have no clue how to run a business. Now if this were their first year, I would agree. But this will be year four. The results need to now happen on the field and with victories.

[ViewFromSection129]

I don't think Dart will make a difference.  If the team doesn't look significantly better after being a top spender in free agency and having top draft capital, I could see Schoen and Daboll being gone.

And this would make things very interesting, as would a new coach and GM give Dart time to develop,  or draft their own QB next year in a strong QB draft. 

[kingm56]

Are you still the mouthpiece for the Giants? No, I tend to deal in reality, not the Giants bubble. The Giants will be playing a brutal schedule this year. They have made some very good off season moves. Carter was a no brainer. But this is the NFL where it's not what you do today, March, and in pre season. It will matter beginning in September. As I said, if they only win 5...or at best, six games, they should not keep their jobs. That would be three very bad losing seasons. So no, they should be fired if that occurs. And if they aren't, yes that is gross mismanagement. If you are deciding today that they secured their jobs for two years you have no clue how to run a business. Now if this were their first year, I would agree. But this will be year four. The results need to now happen on the field and with victories.

I'm a mouthpiece for the Giants? Hardly. You must be new here—or you haven't been paying attention. Over the past several seasons I've been among the franchise's harshest critics. I was one of the few posters who argued that the 2022 campaign was an aberration and that the 2023 team would struggle to win more than seven games. While many credited Brian Daboll for Daniel Jones's supposed meteoric "maturation," I consistently maintained that their 2022 success was a mirage. As I've said repeatedly, Daboll's fortunes rise and fall with his starting quarterback; expecting him to transform Jones into something he has never been is simply unrealistic.

That said, I'm pleased with the 2024 draft class and find it difficult to criticize any of Joe Schoen's 2025 transactions. As another fan astutely observed, the results may ultimately disappoint, but the 2025 Giants' decision-making process has been sound.

Yes, let's deal with reality: every outcome you predicted has missed the mark. The front office did not "sell out" to save their jobs, despite your repeated warnings to that effect. Surely you can take some comfort in acknowledging that those forecasts were wrong, and as a result be somewhat optimistic about the future.

So, which specific moves from this offseason do you oppose? Between last year's draft and this year's roster strategy, Schoen has delivered back-to-back successes (maybe). I have no problem dismissing Daboll if the team falters again this year, but it's hard to find fault with the general manager's work over the past two seasons.

[coggs]

I would not say it is automatic.  However, I am not going to say it is playoffs or else, either.  Have to look at the big picture.  Sorry for the cliche, but "are they on the right track"?  Can we look at the roster at the end of the season and think, "ok, we have the foundation for success, and now we can start building the rest of the house.  If we see that, they will be safe.  At least Schoen will be.