Better or Worse

[Ed Vette]

A savvy analysis and questioning, Ed. In any event, we should expect to see a different approach to Defense from Shane Bowen who, while more Zone-orientated on the back end, has had much more success against the run than did Wink. Still, as you suggest, it can be as much a question of personnel as of positioning.

It may be a while before we get an answer in that regard, but it will still be time better spent wondering about Burns and Thibodeaux than it is for those among us who seem unable to stop hating on Daniel Jones.

Cheers!

 

And Ojulari. The other hated Player that everyone has given up on. Of course it's not hate. Only the whatabouts call it hate. I call it being realistic.

[AZGiantFan]

A savvy analysis and questioning, Ed. In any event, we should expect to see a different approach to Defense from Shane Bowen who, while more Zone-orientated on the back end, has had much more success against the run than did Wink. Still, as you suggest, it can be as much a question of personnel as of positioning.

It may be a while before we get an answer in that regard, but it will still be time better spent wondering about Burns and Thibodeaux than it is for those among us who seem unable to stop hating on Daniel Jones.

Cheers!

 

My question is will his defense do a much better job of stopping the run.  As horrifically bad as the o-line was in 2023 the run defense wasn't much better.

[uconnjack8]

I all comes down to positional responsibilities. The 3/4 Mike has more coverage responsibilities and the 3/4 Edge do not. That's why I separate the LB's from the DLine. I am curious if Thibs and Burn have the sand in their pants to transition to DE responsibility. If so, the Giants are a 3 Tech away. Simmons would be my Will and McFadden my Sam.

Ed,

I get your point, and I think Thibs and Burns are going to spend considerable more time trying to be get in the backfield then in coverage.  I could be wrong, but from what Daboll has said about being more of an "attacking" defense, I am guessing those guys will be deployed mostly as penetrators. 

Burns did not grade out as a good run defender which, for me, is why your question/point is a good one. 

I can't help but see another Buffalo similarity here.  Buffalo's DL likes to get up field and disrupt.  And they have mostly been good at it.  Seems like that's the direction Daboll wants this D to go.

[Painter]

Ed,

I get your point, and I think Thibs and Burns are going to spend considerable more time trying to be get in the backfield then in coverage.  I could be wrong, but from what Daboll has said about being more of an "attacking" defense, I am guessing those guys will be deployed mostly as penetrators. 

Burns did not grade out as a good run defender which, for me, is why your question/point is a good one. 

I can't help but see another Buffalo similarity here.  Buffalo's DL likes to get up field and disrupt.  And they have mostly been good at it.  Seems like that's the direction Daboll wants this D to go.

Wink's approach was of little benefit to the Giants Rushing Defense whereas Bowen's has had a good history in that area. As for what Burns may or may not bring to the table, it's hard to imagine that Bowen played no role in the decision to trade for him. We shall see, I reckon.

Cheers!

[Ed Vette]

Wink's approach was of little benefit to the Giants Rushing Defense whereas Bowen's has had a good history in that area. As for what Burns may or may not bring to the table, it's hard to imagine that Bowen played no role in the decision to trade for him. We shall see, I reckon.

Cheers!

The absence of a solid 3T and two Receivers who will struggle in Run Support is somewhat concerning for me. Zone coverage will require the ILB's to have Coverage responsibilities. Read and React. I hope it doesn't take three games to get up to speed.

[Painter]

I hope it doesn't take three games to get up to speed.

It shouldn't be much of a challenge for them to give up less than the 98 total points they did in their first 3 games last year. But then that may be just the optimist inside of me talking. 

Cheers!

[uconnjack8]

The absence of a solid 3T and two Receivers who will struggle in Run Support is somewhat concerning for me. Zone coverage will require the ILB's to have Coverage responsibilities. Read and React. I hope it doesn't take three games to get up to speed.

Do you see McFadden as a good fit for this system?

[Ed Vette]

Do you see McFadden as a good fit for this system?

Perhaps not.

[Painter]

Do you see McFadden as a good fit for this system?

Given what we saw of his play last season, which was a breath of fresh air in a dyspnea of a Defense, I can't but think of him as a good fit. I quite clearly recall that even as rookie, he was one of the few Giants Defenders who seemed engaged and effective in those otherwise early debacles against the Cows and Niners.

Moreover, as he has previously been rated as an above average Pass Defender from the LB position, there is all the more reason to feel positive about his "fit" in Bowen's scheme. Quite frankly, as I saw it, the only thing that kept McFadden from greater appreciation was the excellent performance of Okereke in Wink's otherwise shitty Defense as it was even well before the Williams trade.

Cheers!

[Ed Vette]

Given what we saw of his play last season, which was a breath of fresh air in a dyspnea of a Defense, I can't but think of him as a good fit. I quite clearly recall that even as rookie, he was one of the few Giants Defenders who seemed engaged and effective in those otherwise early debacles against the Cows and Niners.

Moreover, as he has previously been rated as an above average Pass Defender from the LB position, there is all the more reason to feel positive about his "fit" in Bowen's scheme. Quite frankly, as I saw it, the only thing that kept McFadden from greater appreciation was the excellent performance of Okereke in Wink's otherwise shitty Defense as it was even well before the Williams trade.

Cheers!

I thought his forte was Run and Dog, not coverage. I'll defer to you instead of my memory snapshots.