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Did the Giants really NOT offer Barkley a contract ?

Started by killarich, July 17, 2024, 03:45:51 PM

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4 Aces

This is a situation that got deeply personal, and dare I say a greenhorn GM may have not heeded his own advice and let things get too personal.

Rewind to 2023 offseason. Schoen very likely wanted to re-sign Barkley longterm and franchise Jones. But Barkley's fired agent really ticked Schoen off and negotations fell apart. They had no choice but to reverse field, franchise Barkley and give DJ the current market rate. Then things go haywire and DJ tears his ACL. Had Barkley played ball and Schoen gotten his plan A, he'd still be here for the next 2 years (and not on the Eagles) and DJ would be coming back on a 1-year prove it deal.

When Schoen says "this situation took 10 years off my life" this is likely what he's talking about. 

If you really look at how Schoen handled Barkley from there, he didn't want him back. There was no substance or real offer made.

MightyGiants

Quote from: 4 Aces on July 18, 2024, 05:04:48 PMIf you really look at how Schoen handled Barkley from there, he didn't want him back. There was no substance or real offer made.

The thing is, Schoen was football smart not to want Barkley back, especially at a high price.  It's nothing personal; that's just the cold, hard business of football.
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Gmo11

Quote from: 4 Aces on July 18, 2024, 05:04:48 PMThis is a situation that got deeply personal, and dare I say a greenhorn GM may have not heeded his own advice and let things get too personal.

Rewind to 2023 offseason. Schoen very likely wanted to re-sign Barkley longterm and franchise Jones. But Barkley's fired agent really ticked Schoen off and negotations fell apart. They had no choice but to reverse field, franchise Barkley and give DJ the current market rate. Then things go haywire and DJ tears his ACL. Had Barkley played ball and Schoen gotten his plan A, he'd still be here for the next 2 years (and not on the Eagles) and DJ would be coming back on a 1-year prove it deal.

When Schoen says "this situation took 10 years off my life" this is likely what he's talking about. 

If you really look at how Schoen handled Barkley from there, he didn't want him back. There was no substance or real offer made.

I definitely think Schoen would have preferred to franchise Jones and sign Barkley to a reasonable deal.  It would have made all the sense in the world to go about it that way and probably they went right up until the deadline before giving Jones the tag.  However, I don't think Schoen let that be personal.  He did the same thing this offseason that he did last where he assigned a number he was comfortable going to but not above and when the Barkley numbers got too high he moved on. 

They could have franchised him this season sure but to what end?  Are they a Barkley away from being super bowl contenders?  Probably not.  So why not use that money dispersed across 2 or even 3 other players that might get them closer.  The drop off to Singletary isn't going to be all that significant in terms of production.  Barkley has the explosive ability to score from anywhere on the field where Singletary likely doesn't but given the price difference I think the Giants are better off.

I would have been more annoyed had they gone and beaten that offer from the Eagles and signed Barkley to an even crazier contract than I am that they let him walk.  The numbers just got out of control.

Although to be fair the right thing to do would have been to trade him at the deadline either of the last two seasons and I'm still not sure why they didn't.

BluesCruz

I for one am elated he is gone

You cannot build a modern NFL offense around 1 middle of the road RB

you will see....our offense will be much different this year

Addition by subtraction and I'm sure Schoen saw it this way too
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uconnjack8

Does it really matter if Schoen offered him something or not?  He's gone, the vast majority of us agree that what Philly gave him was way more than what the Giants coulda or shoulda.  Don't mean to sound negative, but for the life of me I cannot figure out the relevance of trying to establish if an offer was made and when and how much.  Not paying him what the Eagles did was the correct move.