At the quarter (roughly) of the season revisiting some of the PS indicators

[MightyGiants]

Isn't that what we've been doing for 6 years lol? How much more waiting and seeing is good enough for you? Every other team that drafts a bad Qb dumps them quickly and for the most part have found their new guy. Not us though, we still have fans that think Jones is the answer when he clearly isn't.

I'd almost compare people that think Jones is a good Qb to a hoarder, they both know in their hearts they need to let go of the trash but just can't.

Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, and even Baker Mayfield show that one can assume they know what a QB is even after multiple seasons.

We have Jones this season.   Until the Giants are out of it and the injury guarantee becomes an issue, I fail to meet the need of many to rush to judgment.  Why not wait and see how things play out?   Once you declare your judgment, there is a strong and natural tendency to fall victim to confirmation bias.

[todge]

Ted - all QBs experience drops so they are embedded in everyone's stats.  DJ's completion rate is misleading due to so many of his throws being short throws.  His Y/A is only 6.1. His Y/C is only 9.7.

Dabs may call the plays but DJ bails out with all his checkdown throws which only go for 3 yards a completion.  On a 3rd and 8 what difference does it make to be 4th and 5 vs 4th and 8?  He's go to throw to the sticks and he often does not.

Daboll explained that as long as teams play two high safeties, the offense will take what is given and will throw short/intermediate passes. It's my understanding that "check down" throws are made to an outlet receiver if the primary receivers aren't open. Jones is not technically throwing "check downs". He's running Daboll's offense and doing what he's asked to do.


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[H-Town G-Fan]

Daboll explained that as long as teams play two high safeties, the offense will take what is given and will throw short/intermediate passes. It's my understanding that "check down" throws are made to an outlet receiver if the primary receivers aren't open. Jones is not technically throwing "check downs". He's running Daboll's offense and doing what he's asked to do.


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Daniel Jones actually has above-average deep (20+ yard) attempts. He just can't hit them. Pretending like Daboll isn't trying to take deep shots doesn't jive with reality.

[DaveBrown74]

I have read this whole thread pretty carefully.

I'm not thinking of any one post or any one poster here when I say this, but I will say it, because it is front and center on my mind after reading this thread:

To me, there is probably no better real life example of true "QB hell" than being in year six with your QB, having had the whole five plus years to this point go really badly, which they have, currently be paying him really well, which we are, and yet claiming to still somehow be unsure about him and still needing to see more before you can finally be sure. Even though you've been saying this about him annually since he entered the league.

Try taking a step back, taking a breath, clearing your mind, and thinking about the above objectively. Does that seem sane to you?

[Philosophers]

I have read this whole thread pretty carefully.

I'm not thinking of any one post or any one poster here when I say this, but I will say it, because it is front and center on my mind after reading this thread:

To me, there is probably no better real life example of true "QB hell" than being in year six with your QB, having had the whole five plus years to this point go really badly, which they have, currently be paying him really well, which we are, and yet claiming to still somehow be unsure about him and still needing to see more before you can finally be sure. Even though you've been saying this about him annually since he entered the league.

Try taking a step back, taking a breath, clearing your mind, and thinking about the above objectively. Does that seem sane to you?

Unlike a top performing rookie QB in which a team can benefit from the rookie contract, the Giants got nothing out of DJ's rookie contract and now are paying him a previous market salary lime to go to a 5 or 6 win season.  Better to do it on a rookie contract with a better shot at upward development.

[AZGiantFan]

Does QB hell lead to team hell, or does team hell lead to qb hell?

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

IAC, it's probably too late for Jones.

[T200]

I have read this whole thread pretty carefully.

I'm not thinking of any one post or any one poster here when I say this, but I will say it, because it is front and center on my mind after reading this thread:

To me, there is probably no better real life example of true "QB hell" than being in year six with your QB, having had the whole five plus years to this point go really badly, which they have, currently be paying him really well, which we are, and yet claiming to still somehow be unsure about him and still needing to see more before you can finally be sure. Even though you've been saying this about him annually since he entered the league.

Try taking a step back, taking a breath, clearing your mind, and thinking about the above objectively. Does that seem sane to you?

"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist." ~Verbal Kint

[AYM]

I have read this whole thread pretty carefully.

I'm not thinking of any one post or any one poster here when I say this, but I will say it, because it is front and center on my mind after reading this thread:

To me, there is probably no better real life example of true "QB hell" than being in year six with your QB, having had the whole five plus years to this point go really badly, which they have, currently be paying him really well, which we are, and yet claiming to still somehow be unsure about him and still needing to see more before you can finally be sure. Even though you've been saying this about him annually since he entered the league.

Try taking a step back, taking a breath, clearing your mind, and thinking about the above objectively. Does that seem sane to you?

The thing is, if we define "QB hell" by what Gettleman claimed it was (he was the first person I remember to use the term), that isn't where this team is.

IIRC the way he defined it would fit a team like Dallas more - when you're stuck paying franchise QB money to a QB who is okay, but you know won't win the Superbowl for you.

We're worse than that, because we're paying franchise QB money to a QB who is not okay, who we know can't even win a game for us.

[MrGap92]

The thing is, if we define "QB hell" by what Gettleman claimed it was (he was the first person I remember to use the term), that isn't where this team is.

IIRC the way he defined it would fit a team like Dallas more - when you're stuck paying franchise QB money to a QB who is okay, but you know won't win the Superbowl for you.

We're worse than that, because we're paying franchise QB money to a QB who is not okay, who we know can't even win a game for us.

So what is worse than hell?       

[todge]

The thing is, if we define "QB hell" by what Gettleman claimed it was (he was the first person I remember to use the term), that isn't where this team is.

IIRC the way he defined it would fit a team like Dallas more - when you're stuck paying franchise QB money to a QB who is okay, but you know won't win the Superbowl for you.

We're worse than that, because we're paying franchise QB money to a QB who is not okay, who we know can't even win a game for us.

As defined by Gettleman I believe - QB hell is going into the Draft needing a QB ... then repeating the same thing year after year once your pick doesn't work out.

As MG stated - let the year play out and see where the Giants are. If DJ continues being "locked in" then he's staying as the Giants would be crazy to assume a Draft pick will be an instant success. Then draft a QB and let him sit and learn. Jones is injury prone so the new guy may come in sooner than planned.

Way too early to make Draft predictions. But Ward projected to 75-125 in this year's Draft which is why he transferred to Miami rather than entering the Draft. Regardless , I have always tried to not succumb to the "newer is better" theory.


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