QB decisions made by Schoen and Daboll

[nb587]

Maybe they had to prove to Mara that Jones was not the answer

[T200]

That is a claim not supported by actual fact.  In fact, we saw on tape that prior to this season, Mara had literally given Schoen his blessing to move on from Jones. 

Rich,

I understand that none of us are in Mara's head and know his true intentions. However, we are all intelligent individuals and can put puzzle pieces together to form an educated picture. Prosecuting attorneys have built successful cases without a smoking gun.

I missed the part where Mara gave Schoen his blessing to move on from Jones.

[babywhales]

So we should ignore Mara giving Schoen his blessing to move on from Jones????

I am not saying it as a fact, just saying most of these decisions all exist under the umbrella of forcing the issue with Jones.

So why?

Mara also said, "he's happy with the contract he gave Jones and that he felt Jones played well for the team in 2022. He's also said that he wants to give Jones a chance with a better offensive line and some weapons around him."


I do not know, nor do you or anyone else...  people hear what they want to hear, especially the bvague comments when they add value based on their biases where none existed earlier.



But I will say if Scheon and Daboll made the decision to not franchise and sign Jones to the deal he got they should be let go. 

They risked their careers on Jones and it cost them, add them to the list of others.

[MightyGiants]

Rich,

I understand that none of us are in Mara's head and know his true intentions. However, we are all intelligent individuals and can put puzzle pieces together to form an educated picture. Prosecuting attorneys have built successful cases without a smoking gun.

I missed the part where Mara gave Schoen his blessing to move on from Jones.

You go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole when you make claims without supporting facts.  In the case of Mara, there is nothing outside of wild, fact-free belief to support the idea that Mara forced Daniel Jones on any of his management teams.

As for Mara's blessing, here is Jordan confirming


https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1772318860332486987

https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1772318861875888440

[T200]

You go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole when you make claims without supporting facts.  In the case of Mara, there is nothing outside of wild, fact-free belief to support the idea that Mara forced Daniel Jones on any of his management teams.

As for Mara's blessing, here is Jordan confirming

You are more than free to categorize what I said as "wild, fact-free belief" but it's statements like that that derail fruitful conversations.

As to the "forced" part, no one suggested that. I have stated numerous times that it's more nuanced than that. Your links to Mara's comments (thanks for reminding me about those) support my point: Mara's statements have meaning, weight, and influence.

[MightyGiants]

You are more than free to categorize what I said as "wild, fact-free belief" but it's statements like that that derail fruitful conversations.

As to the "forced" part, no one suggested that. I have stated numerous times that it's more nuanced than that. Your links to Mara's comments (thanks for reminding me about those) support my point: Mara's statements have meaning, weight, and influence.

Tim,

Almost every GM has to deal with the owner's opinions.   If a GM can't operate unless the owner is completely silent, the GM has no business working in the NFL, in my opinion.   There are few jobs where a decision maker doesn't have to put themselves out there.  Hell, if all the GM is going to do is be a yes-man for the owner, why is he even employed?

[T200]

Tim,

Almost every GM has to deal with the owner's opinions.   If a GM can't operate unless the owner is completely silent, the GM has no business working in the NFL, in my opinion.   There are few jobs where a decision maker doesn't have to put themselves out there.  Hell, if all the GM is going to do is be a yes-man for the owner, why is he even employed?

This is the difference in how we see things. You're primarily holding the GM responsible. I'm primarily holding the owner responsible.

Mara is a micro-manager. He plants his family in key positions to do his bidding and he makes influential comments that affect how the team is run.

Schoen understands that. He let Barkley walk despite the "not sleeping at night" comments by Mara. Schoen didn't need Mara to be "OK" with drafting a QB in last year's draft. Schoen knows what he needs to do and isn't afraid to push back on what Mara wants or doesn't want.

Hopefully he and Daboll are here next year to show they're making the right moves.

[babywhales]

So we should ignore Mara giving Schoen his blessing to move on from Jones????

At what juncture? After the 2021 season or entering last years draft or both?

[MightyGiants]

This is the difference in how we see things. You're primarily holding the GM responsible. I'm primarily holding the owner responsible.

Mara is a micro-manager. He plants his family in key positions to do his bidding and he makes influential comments that affect how the team is run.

Schoen understands that. He let Barkley walk despite the "not sleeping at night" comments by Mara. Schoen didn't need Mara to be "OK" with drafting a QB in last year's draft. Schoen knows what he needs to do and isn't afraid to push back on what Mara wants or doesn't want.

Hopefully he and Daboll are here next year to show they're making the right moves.

I see things in the organizational sense.  An owner hires a GM for their expertise.  They may voice their opinions, but it's incumbent on the expert/GM to make the right decisions and explain to the GM why they are the right decisions.  If they can't do that, they don't belong in the GM job.