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Would QB Milroe running a 4.37 or 4.39 change your view on him?

Started by MightyGiants, February 19, 2025, 08:27:58 AM

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PSUBeirut

Quote from: MightyGiants on February 19, 2025, 11:17:35 AMThe 40-yard dash is pretty much just for fans these days.  Maybe at a pure speed position like WR or DB there may be some limited value, but over time, it will become less and less important.   The only thing the 40-yard dash has over GPS data at this point is there is much more archival information on the 40-yard dash.  In other words, teams have more information on how 40-yard dash numbers correlate with NFL success than they do the GPS data.  As time goes on and teams get more years of GPS data, the 40-yard dash will become about as useful as a leather helmet.

Actually, I'd think an enterprising organization with some top-notch data people could actually pull comps from game tape fairly accurately.  ie, if you want to know Adrian Peterson's speed at Oklahoma as a baseline/comparison, the tech exists to pull that from existing tape.  It would be an interesting gig and maybe I need to think about proposing this as my retirement nears...  I'm sure it would pay more than my current job!   :ok:

MrGap92

I think the 40yd dash should be ran with a uniform on, I never saw the value of seeing their speed undressed, it isnt the same speed.

babywhales

Quote from: MrGap92 on February 19, 2025, 12:10:02 PMI think the 40yd dash should be ran with a uniform on, I never saw the value of seeing their speed undressed, it isnt the same speed.
The difference between being fast and playing fast is what's in-between the ears or not.

That is the value of knowing both
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Painter

No! I think not. No matter how fast a QB may run a vertical 40 in his underwear, it would not make me view him differently before or after for reasons already mentioned along with the risk of its overemphasis today.

Cheers!

madbadger

A guy like Howie Roseman will draft him in the third round as a weapon. He has too many holes in his game for us to roll the dice on him even if he ran a 4.3 flat. None the less he's intriguing prospect. Worst case you have a gadget player/kick off returner who can play quarterback in a pinch. Best case you have a faster Jalen Hurts.

Jclayton92

I'd take him later on and use him like a blend betwen DeeBo Samuel and Taysom Hill.  Have him run, occasionally throw, catch screens etc.

DaveBrown74

I guess it would (since I was expecting something in the low 4.4s), but only at the margin really. I am just not a believer that this is all that important of a metric for a QB by itself. It is a very small component in my view.

andrew_nyGiants

My question is; has his collegiate eligibility run out? Because if not, he's either stubborn or getting some bad advice.
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MightyGiants

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on February 20, 2025, 07:41:01 AMMy question is; has his collegiate eligibility run out? Because if not, he's either stubborn or getting some bad advice.

I am pretty sure he had one more year of eligibility.   As for advice, I guess it depends on what you believe Milroe's ceiling really is.  If you (as his agent) believe he is nearing his ceiling, now is the time to strike.  He comes out this year with a weak QB draft class, and having started 38 games, some teams will believe he hasn't reached his peak.  So he comes out this year, and he is likely a round one or round two pick.  If he goes back to school and doesn't improve, he is likely a day-three pick against a better QB class, and fewer believe that he has untapped potential.

Of course, if you believe he will become a really good QB, then you want him to stay in school (or perhaps transfer to a more QB-friendly environment) to improve his in-the-pocket play and be a potential high-round pick in the next draft. 

Of course, the downside to being a high QB draft pick is you are more likely to be drafted by a bad team, that will increase the odds your NFL career doesn't turn out as you want it to.
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katkavage

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on February 20, 2025, 07:41:01 AMMy question is; has his collegiate eligibility run out? Because if not, he's either stubborn or getting some bad advice.
Bad advice? He graduated already. Check out his academic achievements. Why should he return to school?

https://sports.yahoo.com/alabama-football-qb-jalen-milroe-035123598.html

andrew_nyGiants

Quote from: katkavage on February 20, 2025, 12:27:10 PMBad advice? He graduated already. Check out his academic achievements. Why should he return to school?

https://sports.yahoo.com/alabama-football-qb-jalen-milroe-035123598.html

It was in the context of his draft value. As we all know he didn't exactly impress on the field this year, and he's clearly in need of further development.

So, my point is if he has eligibility remaining, why not go back and play another year of college football in a more quarterback friendly program in order to drive up his value in '26?
From Simms to Eli (with an assist from Hoss) our Super Bowl Quarterbacks. Great defense and clutch QB performances...NY Giants Championship football.

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katkavage

Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on February 20, 2025, 12:33:13 PMIt was in the context of his draft value. As we all know he didn't exactly impress on the field this year, and he's clearly in need of further development.

So, my point is if he has eligibility remaining, why not go back and play another year of college football in a more quarterback friendly program in order to drive up his value in '26?
That makes sense for most athletes, but someone with his academic qualities might have broader long term aspirations. I have a feeling he will do very well even if it's not as an NFL QB.

andrew_nyGiants

Quote from: katkavage on February 20, 2025, 12:46:58 PMThat makes sense for most athletes, but someone with his academic qualities might have broader long term aspirations. I have a feeling he will do very well even if it's not as an NFL QB.

That's really nice to read that he was able to create such options for himself as a result of his academic performance.

Perhaps given that it lessens the pressure on him to improve his NFL draft position, it makes it easier for him to stay in this years' draft.

With his natural athletic abilities it would be nice to see him get built up by an outstanding QB friendly coach whether pro or college.
From Simms to Eli (with an assist from Hoss) our Super Bowl Quarterbacks. Great defense and clutch QB performances...NY Giants Championship football.

I have an old profile still floating around: andrew_nyg....I am one and the same!

VanPelt

Only if it improves his throwing accuracy and decision making