Pick number three comes down to two scenarios and these options

[MightyGiants]

It's safe to say Cam Ward is going one.

It's likely the Browns will take one of the following

1) LB/Edge Abdul Carter

2) QB Shedeur Sanders

In scenario one, the Giants would have the option of:

Drafting Shedeur Sanders or WR/CB Travis Hunter at three

Or take a small trade down and draft (I think the trade-down option is more viable with Sanders on the board):

DT Mason Graham
TE Tyler Warren
OT Will Campbell
RB Ashton Jeanty

In scenario two-The Giants would have the option of drafting at three:

Edge/LB Abdul Carter or WR/CB Travis Hunter


Or take a small trade down and draft:

DT Mason Graham
TE Tyler Warren
OT Will Campbell
RB Ashton Jeanty


My choices

In option one, I would consider the trade-down (I like all those choices). Failing that, take Hunter.

In option two, I take Carter unless an outstanding trade offer comes in.

[londonblue]

I find myself torn. We have to take a shot at a young QB. If the Giants think Sanders can be an average or better NFL starter for a decade you have to take him. If they don't think his odds are much or any better than the Dart, McCord, Ewers, Shough, Milroe, Howard et al group you go BPA and snag someone else day two.

You only trade back if Sanders is gone or you do not love him (never get cute at QB!!) and have a specific guy in mind who you rate pretty much as highly as Carter (worried by injury flags?) or Hunter (believing 2-way is more hype than real) and are 100% sure he will be there.

None of us know how the Giants think about all this and none of us have access to all the information they have so whilst I think you have framed this correctly I cannot really answer it in any informed way.

It is, like last year, a fascinating draft for the Giants to navigate. Schoen has been pretty sure footed in free agency handling setbacks (Stafford, Fries) sensibly. Hopefully the same will apply on draft day. One process advantage of drafting high R1 is it limits the scenarios to gameplan so there is no excuse to be unprepared.

[DaveBrown74]

Question, and a as a disclaimer I've been a little out of it the last two weeks due to traveling:

Why is it seen as a given or virtual given that the Browns will not take a QB? Or that they won't trade down with someone who wants a QB?

[londonblue]

It isn't. Hence Mighty in his framing and my response (paragraph 2 & implicit in paragraph 4) acknowledge that Sanders might not be there for us at 3.

[DaveBrown74]

It isn't. Hence Mighty in his framing and my response (paragraph 2 & implicit in paragraph 4) acknowledge that Sanders might not be there for us at 3.

Well it may not be a given or virtual given, as I put it, but Rich did say it was likely they wouldn't take Sanders. And perhaps that's right. I'm just curious why it's even likely. I may have missed something.

How can anyone have any real idea what they're thinking though? Seems to me that with absolutely nothing in their QB room other than Watson (who has been an unmitigated disaster) and Kenny Pickett (who is clearly no more than a backup and not a particularly inspiring one), they need a QB as much as any team in the league.

[londonblue]

This far out from the draft no team has done all their work, had all their meetings, done their draft walkthroughs and narrowed down their scenarios. There will still be more than one internal view even if one way of thinking has more adherents. Right now nothing is fully decided. Not even in Tennessee let alone Cleveland or us.

[nb587]

Well it may not be a given or virtual given, as I put it, but Rich did say it was likely they wouldn't take Sanders. And perhaps that's right. I'm just curious why it's even likely. I may have missed something.

How can anyone have any real idea what they're thinking though? Seems to me that with absolutely nothing in their QB room other than Watson (who has been an unmitigated disaster) and Kenny Pickett (who is clearly no more than a backup and not a particularly inspiring one), they need a QB as much as any team in the league.

Just based on what I've read, itt appears to me that the gap between Sanders, Dart and a group of other QBs is narrower than the gap between Ward and Sanders, Dart, etc. So, it might make sense to take the generational player first and look for the QB later.  What's puzzling me here is what Schoen did and what the Browns didnt do namely sign a QB1 for this year.  That would suggest to me that the Browns will draft Sanders (or Dart) at 2 or gamble in a trade down and still get one of them.

The fly in the ointment is that 1 or more of larger QB group will be good especially if they get to an organization that knows how to maximize their ability like Denver did last year.  I am hoping that Schoen and Daboll will find that gem and with a red shirt year, we will get our future (franchise) QB.  I dont think the Browns can do that ad effectively as we can.

[MightyGiants]

Well it may not be a given or virtual given, as I put it, but Rich did say it was likely they wouldn't take Sanders. And perhaps that's right. I'm just curious why it's even likely. I may have missed something.

How can anyone have any real idea what they're thinking though? Seems to me that with absolutely nothing in their QB room other than Watson (who has been an unmitigated disaster) and Kenny Pickett (who is clearly no more than a backup and not a particularly inspiring one), they need a QB as much as any team in the league.

I have a thread with the Vegas odds on who the Browns will draft, and Carter is the strong favorite.  I listen to various insiders and draft pundits,s and they seem to be favoring Carter.   You even had the Browns owner flying to PA to have dinner with Carter prior to his Pro Day, where he didn't even work out.

Clearly, no one can be sure, which is why I posited both possibilities.


EDIT TO ADD:   Many pundits believe the Browns will trade for Cousins to be their starting QB.

[DaveBrown74]

I have a thread with the Vegas odds on who the Browns will draft, and Carter is the strong favorite.  I listen to various insiders and draft pundits,s and they seem to be favoring Carter.   You even had the Browns owner flying to PA to have dinner with Carter prior to his Pro Day, where he didn't even work out.

Clearly, no one can be sure, which is why I posited both possibilities.


EDIT TO ADD:   Many pundits believe the Browns will trade for Cousins to be their starting QB.

Fair enough. That helps fill in some of the blanks, thanks.

As I said I've been less able to pay attention to all this stuff for the past two weeks than normal, so I was more curious than actively refuting the point.

[SlotCorner]

I don't want Sanders. If Wilson doesn't play well one game do you think Deion will keep his mouth shut about his kid playing? I don't.

In the scenario where one of Carter or Hunter is already gone, take the other one and be happy. Or hopefully someone else falls in love with Sanders and pitches a trade down deal we can't refuse. But Hunter is going to be a great corner.

[Philosophers]

I take Hunter in both scenarios unless I get a very favorable trade back proposal that gives me multiple high draft picks either this year or a combo of this year and next year.  I dont want to be farther back than maybe 8th to take Will Johnson or an OT like Membou.