Quick question re: Kadarius Toney

[Bob In PA]

Eventually, IMO, the Giants will line up Kadarius Toney at every offensive skill position.

It's a certainty that he'll take a few direct snaps this season from some sort of "wildcat" type formation. 

But he was recruited to college as a QB... so I wonder how you assess the chances that he'll take at least one snap this season from UNDER CENTER?

Bob

[beaugestus]

Bob, I don't know if he'll take a snap under center, but, I agree they will try everything within their system to try to get him into some space. Last year Garrett was limited in what he can call for a myriad of reasons.

[FL GMAN]

How about passes off a jet sweep or reverse ala OBJ

[MightyGiants]

At this point, I would be happy if Toney shows up to camp attends practice regularly, and shows a good attitude.  Until I see that, I am really not thinking about all the other things the team might be able to do with him.  I might be worrying for nothing, but I really have my concerns.

I remember prior to the draft.   There were many smart people saying this isn't the year to gamble on a prospect because there was only limited opportunities to interact and scout prospects.   I wonder if the Giants made a mistake drafting Toney as he was a prospect that came with character questions. 

[Bob In PA]

How about passes off a jet sweep or reverse ala OBJ

FL-G: THAT is going to happen.  Even Nick Falato has predicted that Toney will throw a few passes this season, likely off the fake reverse.  Bob

[Bob In PA]

At this point, I would be happy if Toney shows up to camp attends practice regularly, and shows a good attitude.  Until I see that, I am really not thinking about all the other things the team might be able to do with him.  I might be worrying for nothing, but I really have my concerns.

I remember prior to the draft.   There were many smart people saying this isn't the year to gamble on a prospect because there was only limited opportunities to interact and scout prospects.   I wonder if the Giants made a mistake drafting Toney as he was a prospect that came with character questions.

Rich: You're not alone.  Toney is an "outside the box" guy, which can be off-putting to many fans, but I think you're being a bit too guarded in your attitude. He's a fun-loving happy type of guy like Lamar Jackson, IMO. Bob

[Ed Vette]

I think you're on to something, Bob. I hope they can utilize his skill set and athleticism to it's fullest potential.

[MightyGiants]

Rich: You're not alone.  Toney is an "outside the box" guy, which can be off-putting to many fans, but I think you're being a bit too guarded in your attitude. He's a fun-loving happy type of guy like Lamar Jackson, IMO. Bob

I was talking to Jamie on the phone last night.  I referred to Toney as OBJ without the accomplishments

[Blue Fire]

At this point, I would be happy if Toney shows up to camp attends practice regularly, and shows a good attitude.  Until I see that, I am really not thinking about all the other things the team might be able to do with him.  I might be worrying for nothing, but I really have my concerns.

I remember prior to the draft.   There were many smart people saying this isn't the year to gamble on a prospect because there was only limited opportunities to interact and scout prospects.   I wonder if the Giants made a mistake drafting Toney as he was a prospect that came with character questions.

There was certainly a gamble here but I think they looked at it this way:

-We just scored a 1st round pick next year (which could easily be a top 15 one).
-We wanted a wide receiver to complement what we have and he in theory does that along with being a very high upside guy with his freakish change of direction ability

So in summation they felt at 20 with what they got to move down to 20 it was 'worth' the risk at that point.

[ozzie]

I have to say I'm with Rich on this one. I hope for the best with and for Toney, but until I see something.....
And as far as Lamar Jackson goes, I don't think he ever had cleat problems or opted out of workouts.
Fingers crossed.

[PSUBeirut]

I can definitely see Toney taking a snap from behind center and running some read option.  Not often, but doesn't have to be....   I'm gonna love seeing DJ splitting out 

[Painter]

While I don't like the term, gadget player, there can be little doubt that the Giants will use Toney in a variety of ways from the slot, and outside in bunch, and I would expect also in sweeps and screens, and a Z Reverse.

Of course, one of his great strengths has been turning short passes into big gainers. Of his 1,583 career receiving yards at Florida, 64.4% of those came after the catch. That's what leads me to imagine the Giants Offense combining his short pass explosiveness with Golliday's as a deep threat. I'm less keen on seeing him in a Wildcat but, quien sabe, we are starting from nada

En todo caso, let's hope they all stay healthy and have a really good camp.

Cheers!

[beaugestus]

Larry having Mexican food tonight? Arriba! 

[Painter]

Larry having Mexican food tonight? Arriba! 

Arriba! indeed, John. Unfortunately, I'm not fast enough to be confused with Speedy Gonzalez. And I'm too old to be a Spanish Gadfly.

Cheers!

[DaveBrown74]

Just so I'm clear, the only thing that Toney has actually done (or not done) that can really be criticized is not showing up for OTAs, right?

Maybe I'm forgetting something. But the cleat thing was not his fault, and if he genuinely had a family emergency (I think it is only fair to believe him unless there is evidence or probable cause that he was lying), then missing some time at work is hardly grounds for criticism. The tweeting and rapping is not a problem until it somehow becomes one.

Am I missing something? This might be a tempest in a teapot...