Quick question re: Kadarius Toney

[beaugestus]

I hope your right Dave. He's a very talented young man.

[MightyGiants]

Just so I'm clear, the only thing that Toney has actually done (or not done) that can really be criticized is not showing up for OTAs, right?

Maybe I'm forgetting something. But the cleat thing was not his fault, and if he genuinely had a family emergency (I think it is only fair to believe him unless there is evidence or probably cause that he was lying), then missing some time at work is hardly grounds for criticism. The tweeting and rapping is not a problem until it becomes one.

Am I missing something? This might be a tempest in a teapot...

Dave,

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is likely to be or he is surely going to be a problem.  However, there are many of us who feel there is a reason for concern, with all the issues that have gone on.   I would add his retweet Cole Beasley's anti-vax message to the negative side of Toney's ledger  (won't it be great if Toney costs the Giants a game because he gets Covid and infects enough of his fellow players that the Giants have to forfeit?).  As for some of the other Tweets, I appreciate they could prove to be harmless, but I can't completely rule out that they could be red flags.

I would say if there weren't character issues with Toney coming out of college, it would be easier to dismiss everything.  Since he did have character issues, how things have gone since he was drafted has done nothing to assuage concerns.   For all I know, most of the "odd" behavior was the Giants hiding an injury issue Toney was dealing with (Giants don't have to give injury information this time of year). 

Hopefully in a week or two this whole issue will be behind us

[brownelvis54]

I could see Jason Garrett using Toney for slant routes, dig routes, as well as bubble screen-type plays. I would like to see Barkley and Toney in the backfield at the same time..perhaps in an I-formation, with Golladay , Slayton and Sheppard playing WR and Engram or Rudolph at TE....lol.....how is a defensive coordinator going to stop that? And lets not forget Danny Dimes can run....

[DaveBrown74]

Dave,

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is likely to be or he is surely going to be a problem.  However, there are many of us who feel there is a reason for concern, with all the issues that have gone on.   I would add his retweet Cole Beasley's anti-vax message to the negative side of Toney's ledger  (won't it be great if Toney costs the Giants a game because he gets Covid and infects enough of his fellow players that the Giants have to forfeit?).  As for some of the other Tweets, I appreciate they could prove to be harmless, but I can't completely rule out that they could be red flags.

I would say if there weren't character issues with Toney coming out of college, it would be easier to dismiss everything.  Since he did have character issues, how things have gone since he was drafted has done nothing to assuage concerns.   For all I know, most of the "odd" behavior was the Giants hiding an injury issue Toney was dealing with (Giants don't have to give injury information this time of year). 

Hopefully in a week or two this whole issue will be behind us

I was never really clear on what his character issues were in college. I know there was some smoke there, but the only actual incident I read about was the gun thing, which the cops ultimately determined was not unlawful.

If Toney ends up being a bad apple, this won't be a good look for Judge. He was adamant in a post-draft interview that he and others did their due dilligence on Toney and determined that the character stuff was a non-issue and that he was a good kid. If that turns out to have been a poor read on their part, he'll be criticized for that for sure.

[4 Aces]

Jackknife

That's what we'll see from Toney early. He has no real chance of beating out a veteran top 3 of Golladay, Shepard and Slayton this year. If they're healthy, they're the top 3.

But Toney's a 1st round pick, and he'll play plenty. I suspect he'll be the KR, PR and gadget player right away. Get the D flowing with Barkley and come back the other way with Toney. When they stretch horizontally, hit the deep ball to Golladay.

[Blue Fire]

Just so I'm clear, the only thing that Toney has actually done (or not done) that can really be criticized is not showing up for OTAs, right?

Maybe I'm forgetting something. But the cleat thing was not his fault, and if he genuinely had a family emergency (I think it is only fair to believe him unless there is evidence or probable cause that he was lying), then missing some time at work is hardly grounds for criticism. The tweeting and rapping is not a problem until it somehow becomes one.

Am I missing something? This might be a tempest in a teapot...

Its the combination of all them together in short succession . Then one of our coaches making mention of him having to understand quickly what NFL life is all about tell you that he is off to a bit of an inauspicious start.

[nb587]

Dave,

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is likely to be or he is surely going to be a problem.  However, there are many of us who feel there is a reason for concern, with all the issues that have gone on.   I would add his retweet Cole Beasley's anti-vax message to the negative side of Toney's ledger  (won't it be great if Toney costs the Giants a game because he gets Covid and infects enough of his fellow players that the Giants have to forfeit?).  As for some of the other Tweets, I appreciate they could prove to be harmless, but I can't completely rule out that they could be red flags.

I would say if there weren't character issues with Toney coming out of college, it would be easier to dismiss everything.  Since he did have character issues, how things have gone since he was drafted has done nothing to assuage concerns.   
For all I know, most of the "odd" behavior was the Giants hiding an injury issue Toney was dealing with (Giants don't have to give injury information this time of year). 

Hopefully in a week or two this whole issue will be behind us

The one thing that I keep coming back to is that the OL is such a question mark from top to bottom.  There is not 1 player that is even in the conversation as a sure thing much less a pro bowl type. I don

[MightyGiants]

I was never really clear on what his character issues were in college. I know there was some smoke there, but the only actual incident I read about was the gun thing, which the cops ultimately determined was not unlawful.

If Toney ends up being a bad apple, this won't be a good look for Judge. He was adamant in a post-draft interview that he and others did their due dilligence on Toney and determined that the character stuff was a non-issue and that he was a good kid. If that turns out to have been a poor read on their part, he'll be criticized for that for sure.

I think if Toney crashes and burn it comes back on both Gettleman and Judge, however, I think Judge will survive the blowback

[Painter]

In May of 2018, Toney was detained

[Blue Fire]

Toney has hit everything but the lottery with his start with the New York Football Giants. Add Kovid to the list

[DaveBrown74]

The one thing that I keep coming back to is that the OL is such a question mark from top to bottom.  There is not 1 player that is even in the conversation as a sure thing much less a pro bowl type. I don

[Blue Fire]

I'm rooting for this kid. Maybe he'll grow through this adversity. Anyone know the Tyree story?

[MightyGiants]

At this point, I would be happy if Toney shows up to camp attends practice regularly, and shows a good attitude.  Until I see that, I am really not thinking about all the other things the team might be able to do with him.  I might be worrying for nothing, but I really have my concerns.

I remember prior to the draft.   There were many smart people saying this isn't the year to gamble on a prospect because there was only limited opportunities to interact and scout prospects.   I wonder if the Giants made a mistake drafting Toney as he was a prospect that came with character questions.

Oh, you foolish foolish foolish man.  Why don't you ask for the sun and the moon while you're at it!   

[Ed Vette]

It is what it is.


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[ozzie]

And now there's this....

https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2021/07/23/new-york-giants-place-kadarius-toney-reserve-covid-19-list/?utm_source=smg&utm_medium=fishburne&utm_content=home-hero