Will Smith/Chris Rock incident: Real or Staged?

[DaveBrown74]

One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:


(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.

(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.


The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.


I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.

[Ed Vette]

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Actually all that being said, Chris Rock is an XXXXXXX and needs a good punch in the face. I

[Ed Vette]

One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:


(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.

(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.


The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.


I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.

You hit on yet you circle back. Lol
He instinctively would have put his hands forward to protect himself even after the blow. It

[Slugsy-Narrows]

There are some really decent people in that arena; albeit, not a whole lot IMO. They've lost touch with real people yet oftentimes have an awful lot to say about things in which they are hardly experts. One of the actors who I used to hold in high regard, but no longer do is Tom Hanks. His smug reaction in response to Ricky Gervais during the Golden Globes (and Gervais is friggin hilarious in that position) and subsequent smugness towards the "little people" turned me off. I don't know if I totally agree with Marlon Brando after refusing the Academy Award for his role in the Godfather, but some of what he said was spot on. He said acting does not deserve accolades as it's nothing more than prostituting yourself for other peoples' enjoyment and is nothing more than pretending to be someone else.

However...I guess...pretending to be someone and doing an excellent job at it compared to rivals should be acknowledged...IMO. It only goes south when an actor suddenly decides he or she has "arrived at the pinnacle of humanity and should be adored - if not worshipped - by all" because they did a good job at pretending to be someone else

Regardless, Hollywood is Hollywood - a fairy tale land where commoners (usually very good looking ones) can become some of the wealthiest people in the world and get to flaunt limos, mansions, jewelry and outfits that cost tens of thousands of dollars while looking down their noses at the peons who revere them. I can't imagine what starving children and billions of poverty stricken around the world think of these people

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[DaveBrown74]

You hit on yet you circle back. Lol
He instinctively would have put his hands forward to protect himself even after the blow. It

[DaveBrown74]

Many people resent Hollywood for giving/receiving awards, doing speeches, and often being arrogant, but athletes do exactly the same things, don't they? How come they don't get criticized for similar behavior? Is it because Hollywood gets more involved in liberal politics? Outside of that, I don't see a ton of difference as far as this aspect of their respective industries go.

[T200]

One argument in favor of this event being staged is Rock's physical reaction to the blow. If you watch him, he has his hands behind his back and is leaning outwards, just prior to being struck. Two observations:


(1) If an angry person is aggressively storming towards you, the natural reaction is to take a more stable, defensive physical posture. You generally don't see people sticking their face out with their hands behind their backs in this situation. Granted, if it was real, Rock probably was not expecting Smith to actually hit him.

(2) Given his less than stable stance, a blow of that force would tend to knock the person down, or at least cause them to stagger or double over. Or at least to touch their face afterwards, check for blood, etc. Rock does none of that. In fact, he barely moves his feet.


The part of this that seems real is Smith's furious screaming after he has returned to his seat. The actual punch did not look conclusively real in my opinion.


I am still sticking to the view that it was real though. All of the reaction the next day makes it seem like it was, and I just don't believe that the Academy would sign off on something like this, including violence and major, high volume profanity. I also don't think the LAPD would have been willing to formally participate in a staged hoax.

I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.

Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.

[Ed Vette]

Many people resent Hollywood for giving/receiving awards, doing speeches, and often being arrogant, but athletes do exactly the same things, don't they? How come they don't get criticized for similar behavior? Is it because Hollywood gets more involved in liberal politics? Outside of that, I don't see a ton of difference as far as this aspect of their respective industries go.

So do high level executives and business owners with all those fancy dinners honoring each other with a hand job passing it on to the next one. All Pomp and Circumstance. In that case the criticism gets whispered.


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[DaveBrown74]

So do high level executives and business owners with all those fancy dinners honoring each other with a hand job passing it on to the next one. All Pomp and Circumstance. In that case the criticism gets whispered.


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Good point - I agree.

[Ed Vette]

I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.

Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.

He actually was smiling as he walked off stage.


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[MightyGiants]

There are some really decent people in that arena; albeit, not a whole lot IMO. They've lost touch with real people yet oftentimes have an awful lot to say about things in which they are hardly experts. One of the actors who I used to hold in high regard, but no longer do is Tom Hanks. His smug reaction in response to Ricky Gervais during the Golden Globes (and Gervais is friggin hilarious in that position) and subsequent smugness towards the "little people" turned me off. I don't know if I totally agree with Marlon Brando after refusing the Academy Award for his role in the Godfather, but some of what he said was spot on. He said acting does not deserve accolades as it's nothing more than prostituting yourself for other peoples' enjoyment and is nothing more than pretending to be someone else.

However...I guess...pretending to be someone and doing an excellent job at it compared to rivals should be acknowledged...IMO. It only goes south when an actor suddenly decides he or she has "arrived at the pinnacle of humanity and should be adored - if not worshipped - by all" because they did a good job at pretending to be someone else

Regardless, Hollywood is Hollywood - a fairy tale land where commoners (usually very good looking ones) can become some of the wealthiest people in the world and get to flaunt limos, mansions, jewelry and outfits that cost tens of thousands of dollars while looking down their noses at the peons who revere them. I can't imagine what starving children and billions of poverty stricken around the world think of these people

When I hear comments like this and I consider the factual actions of the man on who the scorn is heaped, I wonder how such a disconnect is created.  I mean I like to think I am a good person, but Tom Hank's good deeds and works far exceed my own


https://thelatch.com.au/tom-hanks-charity-work/

[DaveBrown74]

I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.

Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.

Interesting theory. Certainly cannot be ruled out!

[Slugsy-Narrows]

When I hear comments like this and I consider the factual actions of the man on who the scorn is heaped, I wonder how such a disconnect is created.  I mean I like to think I am a good person, but Tom Hank's good deeds and works far exceed my own


https://thelatch.com.au/tom-hanks-charity-work/

Just cause someone does good deeds and throws money they have and can afford to give away doesn

[Slugsy-Narrows]

I think it was coordinated between just the two of them but Will went a little off script with the follow-up profanities.

Now, this is a reach but I think it's a possibility: Jada has essentially emasculated Will IN PUBLIC with her admissions of infidelity. Maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, Will gave Rock the go-ahead to tell the GI Jane 2 joke knowing that Jada would take it personally. Will had a hearty laugh at it and then feigned offended outrage.

I could see that!  Like I said earlier he was laughing before he wasn

[Ed Vette]

Just cause someone does good deeds and throws money they have and can afford to give away doesn