ALL DANIEL JONES POSTS AND DISCUSSIONS HERE

[Rambo89]

Once again - the failure to acknowledge supporting casts and DJ's rushing numbers is not being transparent about whats going on with the QB position.

There is no doubt that Jones is one of the best rushing QB's in the league.  And even factoring in his supporting cast I still don't believe he'll ever be an elite QB.  If he was putting up average middle of the road passing numbers with this then I'd agree about that elite potential.

Agree to disagree on this.

[AP44]

There is no doubt that Jones is one of the best rushing QB's in the league.  And even factoring in his supporting cast I still don't believe he'll ever be an elite QB.  If he was putting up average middle of the road passing numbers with this then I'd agree about that elite potential.

Agree to disagree on this.

Nothing wrong with this opinion. But if people are going to show why Jones should go and not include rushing stats - thats a bit unfair to him.

[True Blue]

Nothing wrong with this opinion. But if people are going to show why Jones should go and not include rushing stats - thats a bit unfair to him.

I'm pretty sure we are all aware what his stats are. Many times that I have pointed out his stats I would generally reference total yards or tds, the rushing stats are certainly part of the equation.

Hey, we agreed on something 

[MightyGiants]

Agent's Take: Assessing Daniel Jones' season and what type of contract the Giants could give the improved QB

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-assessing-daniel-jones-season-and-what-type-of-contract-the-giants-could-give-the-improved-qb/

[Slugsy-Narrows]

22-30 mill a year on avg yikes

[Jclayton92]

Jess,

I think you are asking the wrong question, in my opinion.  Your question assumes there is no improvement in the QB supporting case from year 1 to year 2.  I think we can expect a significant improvement and with that improvement, we will see increases in the raw numbers.   With the improvement and the increased raw stats, I don't see the two QBs you mention creating the same increase in stats next season.   Neither of the QBs you mentioned is as talented (in this season and next0 as Daniel Jones has demonstrated. 

So the QBs you mentioned could likely average 180 yards and 1 Td a game but I think we all want and expect more than that next season.

Also while a really poor supporting cast can stymie many QBs so there are similar, don't forget what happened last year when DJ was hurt and they had to play other QBs, the drop off was dramatic

That's the problem though Rich, you expect better from Jones next season when he's had virtually the same statical seasons every year as a pro. He's not going to magically transition into something be hasn't been the previous 4 in year 5.

[Jclayton92]

Once again - the failure to acknowledge supporting casts and DJ's rushing numbers is not being transparent about whats going on with the QB position.

Lol I wasn't considering the other Qbs rushing totals either.. If you have to add in a Qbs rushing to try to justify him as a Qb is that really the sign he's a good QB?

[AZGiantFan]

There is no doubt that Jones is one of the best rushing QB's in the league.  And even factoring in his supporting cast I still don't believe he'll ever be an elite QB.  If he was putting up average middle of the road passing numbers with this then I'd agree about that elite potential.

Agree to disagree on this.

He's 16th in total passing yards.  In a 32 team league that is the very definition of "average middle of the road passing numbers".  And he has made himself top-notch in ball security despite being sacked the third-most times in the league, behind our supposedly improved OL (although going from 2.2 sacks per game last year up to 3.1 sacks per game this year doesn't seem improved to me).  And he's about 4th in rushing yards.

These are the things that will make a team look at him and the lack of quality in the offense he's playing in and think about what he might do in their offense that is higher quality.  And offer him more than the Giants are willing to pay him.

[Jclayton92]

22-30 mill a year on avg yikes

look at kylar Murray's and Jones stats over 50 games, then look at Murray's 5 year 230 million, and his record and then Jones' plus what people are thinking Jones should make. Scary.

Also for some reason I thought we were in the Daniel Jones thread.....

[True Blue]

Shouldn't this be moved to the Daniel Jones thread?

[brownelvis54]

Shouldn't this be moved to the Daniel Jones thread?

I was thinking the same thing

[H-Town G-Fan]

He's 16th in total passing yards.  In a 32 team league that is the very definition of "average middle of the road passing numbers".  And he has made himself top-notch in ball security despite being sacked the third-most times in the league, behind our supposedly improved OL (although going from 2.2 sacks per game last year up to 3.1 sacks per game this year doesn't seem improved to me).  And he's about 4th in rushing yards.

These are the things that will make a team look at him and the lack of quality in the offense he's playing in and think about what he might do in their offense that is higher quality.  And offer him more than the Giants are willing to pay him.

When you use Jones's individual ranking in total yards then imply its out of 32, you're not making an apples-to-apples comparison. In a 32-team league, the Giants passing offense ranks 28th in yards-per-game and 27th in yards-per-attempt. If you look at Jones's yards-per-attempt for qualified passers this season, he's 27th as well (so right in line with the team rankings). Jones is decidedly not middle-of-the-pack in this regard. Doesn't change your arguments about the quality of the offense, but it's categorically incorrect to imply that the passing production of Jones has been anything but well below-average this season.

[MightyGiants]

Sorry,I thought I put this in that thread.

[killarich]

Baddog on Jones

He was once one of his biggest critics

[Rambo89]

22-30 mill a year on avg yikes

Yeah I am passing if that's the cost even on a 2 year deal.

When you use Jones's individual ranking in total yards then imply its out of 32, you're not making an apples-to-apples comparison. In a 32-team league, the Giants passing offense ranks 28th in yards-per-game and 27th in yards-per-attempt. If you look at Jones's yards-per-attempt for qualified passers this season, he's 27th as well (so right in line with the team rankings). Jones is decidedly not middle-of-the-pack in this regard. Doesn't change your arguments about the quality of the offense, but it's categorically incorrect to imply that the passing production of Jones has been anything but well below-average this season.

Exactly how I look at it.