JJ McCarthy (could he be the Giants target in round one)?

[Jclayton92]

https://youtu.be/2h7qxDYc53s?si=nS7IkC3vdA-n0hMp

[EliWasrobbed]

Is it possible that perfect scenario included mediocre to average numbers for McCarthy?

they won the championship so it was a "perfect scenario" well done to Jim.

But when you have the best defense, run game and offensive line in the country AND you're not relying on a QB to produce real numbers, it's not that impressive. Tommy DeVito could probably have won a championship with this Michigan team.

[EliWasrobbed]

What? From those comments I'm going to just assume you don't know what you are talking about going forward.

Drake Maye had an elite offense in 2023, his offensive line led by Diego pounds and Tre Green were really really good, and his skill players were significantly better than Michigan's starting with 5 star Wr Tez Walker, the Jones, McCollum, and Nesbit. Not to mention their Rb Hamilton Tha went for 1500 yards.

NC skills trumped Michigan in Rushing and Receiving but sure stick with your narrative.

Michigan had a decent running game but no serious Wrs as Roman Wilson is nowhere the caliber Wr that Tez Walker is... so Michigan likely has a slight edge in Oline but UNC skills were better.

Through seven weeks, McCarthy currently ranked No. 2 nationally in completion percentage (.782), as well as No. 2 nationally in passing efficiency (195.92). He's also the most effective quarterback in the country when it comes to moving the sticks on third down through the air at 73.1% while Drake Maye (52.3%) and Daniels (50%) lagged significantly behind. At that point in the season he had 213 drives of which he scored on 130, 34 field goals and 96 touchdowns, which means he scored on 61% of all drives.

His 88.3 QBR was 3rd in the country despite NOT PLAYING A FULL GAME until week 9. Before week 9 he sat half way through games, had he played every quarter of every game like the other Qbs he would have easily surpassed Drake Mayes yardage and likely Williams. But you know let's not focus on details, let's just watch a random YouTube video and assume instead of actually looking at the numbers. Because for some reason 3,000 yards, 22Td 4Int while sitting at halftime if most games and having a 27-1 record in college is mediocre to you.

But sure whatever you think.

https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-wolverines-football-big-ten-jim-harbaugh-jj-mccarthy-michael-penix-bo-nix-drake-maye

so tell me then mr. McCarthy #1's fan

If Drake Maye had:

- best defense in country
- best running game in country
- best offensive line in country

do you think his numbers and record would have been better or worse than what JJ did?

You can't honestly tell me with a straight face the answer you're going to say.

[Philosophers]

they won the championship so it was a "perfect scenario" well done to Jim.

But when you have the best defense, run game and offensive line in the country AND you're not relying on a QB to produce real numbers, it's not that impressive. Tommy DeVito could probably have won a championship with this Michigan team.

Have you spent any time in Michigan in mid-late October/November?  Wet, muddy or snowy and cold.  Conducive to a running game.  The weather dictated some of that.  Why would you throw 45 times in a game when you don't have to?

Williams had to throw 45 times per game because USC's defense could not stop anyone so Lincoln Riley had to dial up passing game to score 50 points.  Michigan's D never had that problem. 

There's a difference between not being able to do something and not having to.

[Rosehill Jimmy]

Oh so now I'm the one who come out swinging?

Last I checked, you threw out personal attacks my way when your name wasn't even mentioned trying to fight someone else's battle. Don't talk about respect when you came at me first for no reason when you couldn't debate things in a respectful manner. Gaslighting.

And again, we already saw Tyrod have significantly stronger play with the same OLine than either Tommy or Jones did. The OLine while a problem is not the main concern, it is getting the right franchise QB.

Jones did not play with the same Oline as either TT or TD.  Check out the snap counts during the early part of the season and you'll see stalwarts such as McKethan, Ezeudu,Lemieux playing significant minutes. It wasn't until game 9 when Thomas returned and Philips replaced the injured Neal that the line began to look somewhat competent.  Pretty much the same 5 each game for balance of season

[EliWasrobbed]

Jones did not play with the same Oline as either TT or TD.  Check out the snap counts during the early part of the season and you'll see stalwarts such as McKethan, Ezeudu,Lemieux playing significant minutes. It wasn't until game 9 when Thomas returned and Philips replaced the injured Neal that the line began to look somewhat competent.  Pretty much the same 5 each game for balance of season

that doesn't change fact he was responsible for 32% of his sacks (2nd most in the league) according to PFF. That 1 in 3.

[EliWasrobbed]

Have you spent any time in Michigan in mid-late October/November?  Wet, muddy or snowy and cold.  Conducive to a running game.  The weather dictated some of that.  Why would you throw 45 times in a game when you don't have to?

Williams had to throw 45 times per game because USC's defense could not stop anyone so Lincoln Riley had to dial up passing game to score 50 points.  Michigan's D never had that problem. 

There's a difference between not being able to do something and not having to.

Same question to you, given Michigan had THE best defense, run game and Oline in the country, do you believe Drake Maye would have better stats than JJ McCarthy had at Michigan? Daniels too.

[kingm56]

Jones did not play with the same Oline as either TT or TD.  Check out the snap counts during the early part of the season and you'll see stalwarts such as McKethan, Ezeudu,Lemieux playing significant minutes. It wasn't until game 9 when Thomas returned and Philips replaced the injured Neal that the line began to look somewhat competent.  Pretty much the same 5 each game for balance of season

Do you believe QB play/ability impacts the line performance, or is only reverse true?

[T200]

they won the championship so it was a "perfect scenario" well done to Jim.

But when you have the best defense, run game and offensive line in the country AND you're not relying on a QB to produce real numbers, it's not that impressive. Tommy DeVito could probably have won a championship with this Michigan team.

If you feel that it's not that impressive, why knock him for his lack of stellar statistics when it appears his productivity was limited by design?

For the record, I don't follow college football, so this time of the year leading up to the draft, I rely on the BBH community for insight on the draft picks. Now, I did watch the championship game and felt JJ played a very good game, much better than Penix.

I tend to agree with you that athletically, Jones and McCarthy are similar, and I'd actually give Jones the edge because of his legs. But mentally, I feel like Jones is shot. I think McCarthy has a distinct advantage because of the coaching he received from Harbaugh, playing in a pro-style offense, and he isn't shell-shocked like Jones is.

[uconnjack8]

that doesn't change fact he was responsible for 32% of his sacks (2nd most in the league) according to PFF. That 1 in 3.

Where did you see that he was responsible for 32% of his sacks?  I haven't seen that one ( I don't subscribe to PFF).  If you are referring to the percent of pressures that turned into sacks, I think you are misinterpreting that stat. 

[MightyGiants]

Can we circle back to JJ McCarthy.  That is the purpose of this thread

[Jclayton92]

Can we circle back to JJ McCarthy.  That is the purpose of this thread

I posted the video here from yesterday and while I don't like the chat sports guy there is a ton of smoke around the Giants and Mccarthy currently. Enough to were a 21 page thread on him makes sense. A lot of people think the Giants have him as the #2 Qb in the draft.

Also noticed with the new mocks that Maye is falling, while Daniels and Mccarthy are rising.

[T200]

I posted the video here from yesterday and while I don't like the chat sports guy there is a ton of smoke around the Giants and Mccarthy currently. Enough to were a 21 page thread on him makes sense. A lot of people think the Giants have him as the #2 Qb in the draft.

Also noticed with the new mocks that Maye is falling, while Daniels and Mccarthy are rising.

Personally, I'm ecstatic that absolutely no one knows what Schoen and Daboll will do when they're on the clock. Let's hope they keep it that way.

[MightyGiants]

Here are the PFF grades for receiving and pass blocking for the top prospects (team grades)



Name  ...  Pass Block ... Receiving

Williams ... 77.4 ... 82.4
Maye ... 72.3 ... 72.2
Daniels ... 80.5 ... 84.6
McCarthy ... 70.3 ... 86.2
Nix ... 91.4 ... 89.3
Penix ... 78.4 ... 89.7

[Bob In PA]

Here are the PFF grades for receiving and pass blocking for the top prospects (team grades)



Name  ...  Pass Block ... Receiving

Williams ... 77.4 ... 82.4
Maye ... 72.3 ... 72.2
Daniels ... 80.5 ... 84.6
McCarthy ... 70.3 ... 86.2
Nix ... 91.4 ... 89.3
Penix ... 78.4 ... 89.7

Rich: Do you view the above as a good thing or a bad thing (regarding McCarthy vs. the other QB's shown)? Bob