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Tiki Barber makes a strong case against NYG drafting a quarterback

Started by MightyGiants, February 08, 2024, 02:29:10 PM

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Doc16LT56

#45
February 10, 2024, 04:57:26 PM
Quote from: kingm56 on February 09, 2024, 10:47:11 AMlol. The problem is, DJ has yet to  approach Smith's production...not even close.  We're hoping he can become Smith, which is a problem in itself. 
Exactly. We're hoping DJ can become Alex Smith in the same way we're hoping Evan Neal becomes David Diehl. It would be great if it happens but you don't build a football team based on "it would be great if" scenarios. And you've got to keep a very short leash on good but not great potential.

kartanoman

#46
February 10, 2024, 05:13:14 PM
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on February 10, 2024, 04:57:26 PMExactly. We're hoping DJ can become Alex Smith in the same way we're hoping Evan Neal becomes David Diehl. It would be great if it happens but you don't build a football team based on "it would be great if" scenarios. And you've got to keep a very short leash on good but not great potential.

Someone must have spiked my water today so let me try to articulate what just popped out of my two or three working brain cells this weekend (NOTE: the rest I have to conserve for the week ahead):

We're all hoping DJ can become the grandeur of delusion in Mara's and Gettleman's brains which prompted the selection of him at #6 in 2019.

Leash optional.

Peace!


"Dave Jennings was one of the all-time great Giants. He was a valued member of the Giants family for more than 30 years as a player and a broadcaster, and we were thrilled to include him in our Ring of Honor. We will miss him dearly." (John Mara)

y_so_blu

#47
February 11, 2024, 04:26:49 AM Last Edit: February 11, 2024, 04:32:22 AM by y_so_blu
In February 2023, I would have agreed with him.

Here's the problem: a whole year has gone by since then. There was a season called the 2023 season, and it was bad. Really bad. Not just bad, ugly and boring and the equivalent of watching royal blue paint dry. Because we do not have a franchise quarterback. At one time I thought we did. I was wrong. So is Tiki.

Everything we failed at in 2023, and everything Houston succeeded at, destroys his case. Rebuilding team, bad line... didn't matter. They were a force to be reckoned with because they got the right quarterback. It's time we did the same.

TDToomer

#48
February 11, 2024, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 10, 2024, 04:06:55 PMTo be clear I am understanding you correctly: you believe that with DeVito starting all season the Giants would be a Super Bowl caliber team?

Stop feeding the trolls. To quote Logan Roy "These are not serious people".
"It's extra special against Dallas. That's absolutely a team I can't stand. I've been hating Dallas ever since I knew anything about football." - Brandon Jacobs

y_so_blu

#49
February 11, 2024, 11:16:39 PM
So after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.

Philosophers

#50
February 12, 2024, 12:48:22 AM
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 11, 2024, 11:16:39 PMSo after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.

A new QB can work magic provided he has average around him.  In the Giants case their OL gave up 85 sacks.  Nobody works magic with that.  More likely gets hurt.  Fixing OL is priority #1 and getting a QB is priority #2.

y_so_blu

#51
February 12, 2024, 02:23:26 AM
Quote from: Philosophers on February 12, 2024, 12:48:22 AMA new QB can work magic provided he has average around him.  In the Giants case their OL gave up 85 sacks.  Nobody works magic with that.  More likely gets hurt.  Fixing OL is priority #1 and getting a QB is priority #2.
Once again... that's a 2020-22 argument. I'm done beating my head against that wall and I hope the Giants are too.

katkavage

#52
February 12, 2024, 07:02:28 AM
Does anyone think rationally that the Chiefs win three out of four Super Bowls with anyone but Mahomes? They have a very good coach and organization and some nice players, but it's the QB that is the difference. Same could be said for the Pats who never won one without Brady despite the coach and organization. Not saying there are many Mahomes or Brady's out there, but you have to try to find that guy.

Ed Vette

#53
February 12, 2024, 08:25:51 AM
Quote from: katkavage on February 12, 2024, 07:02:28 AMDoes anyone think rationally that the Chiefs win three out of four Super Bowls with anyone but Mahomes? They have a very good coach and organization and some nice players, but it's the QB that is the difference. Same could be said for the Pats who never won one without Brady despite the coach and organization. Not saying there are many Mahomes or Brady's out there, but you have to try to find that guy.
Mahomes and Spags.
Thank you, Mr. Mara.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

katkavage

#54
February 12, 2024, 09:04:56 AM
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 12, 2024, 08:25:51 AMMahomes and Spags.
Thank you, Mr. Mara.
Lombardi/Landry. Like father, like son.

Philosophers

#55
February 12, 2024, 09:14:27 AM Last Edit: February 12, 2024, 09:31:11 AM by Philosophers
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 12, 2024, 02:23:26 AMOnce again... that's a 2020-22 argument. I'm done beating my head against that wall and I hope the Giants are too.

You continue to think football is not a team sport and that a good QB can line up by himself against 11 defensive players and win consistently.  News flash.  He can't.

I'm all for drafting a QB this year.  What I am against is playing him until the OL is fixed.

AYM

#57
February 19, 2024, 03:00:26 PM
Quote from: y_so_blu on February 11, 2024, 11:16:39 PMSo after seeing the Niners fall short in the big game yet again, is anyone still on board with Tiki's "build everywhere but at QB" argument? Just checking.

I don't understand this take. The 49ers lost in overtime and only went to overtime due to a missed PAT. Clearly the roster as constructed was championship-caliber. It wasn't like they didn't belong there and were run off the field, exposed as frauds.

EliWasrobbed

#58
February 19, 2024, 03:43:39 PM
Tiki lowkey just wants the Giants to be awful forever... he's still mad about 07
I don't preview my posts. I AM THE POST.

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