Giants the only team in 20 years...

[MightyGiants]

https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1760103811283145059?s=20

[Bob In PA]

Could be the diff. between getting (or not) one of the very few can't-miss players available in this draft. Bob

[President Rick]

while it didn't help our record much, TO's usually are one of the two most important factors IMHO for winning in football.  The other is injuries.  The latter has hurt us a lot in recent memory.

[Bob In PA]

Super Bowl champs at minus eleven.

[President Rick]

black swans do exist !!!

[uconnjack8]

Super Bowl champs at minus eleven.

Would much rather be that exception to the rule than the one the Giants are.

[Ed Vette]

The first 8 games the Giants were 2-6 and in the last 8 games they were 4-4. Even a bad team with dysfunction can take advantage of turnovers. Of course, that doesn't fit Warren Sharp's narrative.

[kartanoman]

I think it's a noteworthy accomplishment. Yet, for some, it's disappointment they have one less thing to play the "blame game" on due to the final record.

And the beat goes on .... (Christopher Allen)

Peace!

[zephirus]

The Chiefs and Giants show that turnover differential is pretty negligible depending upon the competency of your offense.  The Giants' ability to convert turnovers into even field goals was abysmal last year.  I can't tell you how many times we go the ball via turnover, even in plus territory and thought "oh great we MIGHT be able to get a field goal out of that".  Conversely, the Chiefs could often shrug off a turnover and say "our defense will handle it" and be right.

[kartanoman]

The Chiefs and Giants show that turnover differential is pretty negligible depending upon the competency of your offense.  The Giants' ability to convert turnovers into even field goals was abysmal last year.  I can't tell you how many times we go the ball via turnover, even in plus territory and thought "oh great we MIGHT be able to get a field goal out of that".  Conversely, the Chiefs could often shrug off a turnover and say "our defense will handle it" and be right.

This is the most lucid, well thought-out response with respect to the huge gap in W-L differential between the Giants and the best teams in the NFL with poor turnover ratios, such as the Super Bowl Champion Chiefs. When you have a team whose offense and defense can dictate the course of a game at its most critical points, and get the turnover ratios to favor them in those moments, while yielding the rest of the game to whatever the record book tallies up, the final analysis isn't the aggregate turnover ratio but, instead, how you performed in those critical moments.

How did the Chiefs do? How did the Giants do? There-in lies the answer.

Peace!

[BluesCruz]

I remember this and how it went down

Wink put a much bigger emphasis on ball swiping and blitzing after our terrible start

Wink is in Michigan now and I worry out D will get much more lax this coming year

As we lean into 2024 with a QB who lost 7 out of 10 games in college and as our QB, and a RB who is rarely swapped out and builds his resume on chunk yardage on long 2nd half runs makng up for his "Dayne for no gain" 1st halves and short yardage situations- we are likely doomed for 2024.

Anything can happen but right now our 2024 prospects are dim indeed

I'd be suprised if we can improve on last years record. 

However hope springs eternal, and I hope Daboll and company prove me wrong

Personally, I'd let Barkley hit the open market and only bring him back for the vet minimum if no one wants him

Jones I would attempt to trade (even if we have to give a high draft choice with Jones to the buyer) and let DeVito and a high profile rookie vie for the starters job.....Even if we do get a top QB draftee, I'd start DeVito like we did Warner and see where things go.   DeVito was pulled prematurely last year.  He did show a lot of promise before getting head butted by New Orleans.

The Oline should be better and the pass D still looks good

The Giants players have to WANT IT....to overcome their issues

Our odds in Vegas are 150-1 to win the SB and thats probably accurate but miracles do happen.

[jgrangers2]

The first 8 games the Giants were 2-6 and in the last 8 games they were 4-4. Even a bad team with dysfunction can take advantage of turnovers. Of course, that doesn't fit Warren Sharp's narrative.

Level of competition went way down in that last 8 compared to the first 8. We won the TO battle 3-0 against Miami and got destroyed. Won the TO battle 2-0 against Buffalo and lost. Turnovers can be an equalizer but they will never make up for wide gaps in talent.

[Ed Vette]

Level of competition went way down in that last 8 compared to the first 8. We won the TO battle 3-0 against Miami and got destroyed. Won the TO battle 2-0 against Buffalo and lost. Turnovers can be an equalizer but they will never make up for wide gaps in talent.

Turnovers were one of the factors why they won some of those games. The Offense certainly didn't drive them.

[jgrangers2]

Turnovers were one of the factors why they won some of those games. The Offense certainly didn't drive them.

Sure, but they also won the TO battle against New England and barely came away with a win. They won the TO battle in the first Philly game and against the Rams and lost both. Ultimately, getting turnovers can help but the Giants were still 6-7 over those last 13 games despite the TO differential.

[Ed Vette]

Sure, but they also won the TO battle against New England and barely came away with a win. They won the TO battle in the first Philly game and against the Rams and lost both. Ultimately, getting turnovers can help but the Giants were still 6-7 over those last 13 games despite the TO differential.

Without the turnover differential, they would have lost many of those six games.