The more I hear the more the Giants option at 6 will be

[Rosehill Jimmy]

I am asking because only thing I read about him is what everyone keeps repeating which is explosive.

How does he train?  What do coaches say about his dedication in practices?  Does he stay around for extra passing sessions?  Out of practice, what's he doing?

Would like to understand more about him.  I'm not doubting him if that's what you were concluding.

I'm not sure we'll ever know the answers to those questions but they are exactly what scouts/evaluators ask when considering a player

[DaveBrown74]

I am asking because only thing I read about him is what everyone keeps repeating which is explosive.

How does he train?  What do coaches say about his dedication in practices?  Does he stay around for extra passing sessions?  Out of practice, what's he doing?

Would like to understand more about him.  I'm not doubting him if that's what you were concluding.

I didn't conclude anything, but it seemed like you had some negative information on him when you said "I don't want partying on a boat in Miami 2.0." I was curious what prompted this sort of concern around Nabers any more than it would with any other draft prospect that doesn't appear to have any noteworthy question marks around maturity or attitude. Why would the Miami boat party type concerns apply to him any more than say Joe Alt or Brock Bowers?

[DaveBrown74]

Found a comment from LSU head coach Brian Kelly about Nabers' maturity level and attitude:


"For me, from the spring to the summer workouts to now, he's obviously stronger physically and his maturity is the thing that stands out," Kelly said. "When I say maturity, I mean he's the same guy everyday. He comes to practice prepared, he practices hard, comes with the right attitude, thinks the right way and that's maturity."

[GloryDays]

None... trade down for Ladd McConkey and other valuable picks.

[Topshelf21]

https://x.com/bigblueview/status/1763583024514400742?s=20

https://x.com/bigblueview/status/1763583024514400742?s=20

Cute kid...

Super likable!

Makes it hard to pass on him if he checks all the boxes at 6.

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[Philosophers]

I didn't conclude anything, but it seemed like you had some negative information on him when you said "I don't want partying on a boat in Miami 2.0." I was curious what prompted this sort of concern around Nabers any more than it would with any other draft prospect that doesn't appear to have any noteworthy question marks around maturity or attitude. Why would the Miami boat party type concerns apply to him any more than say Joe Alt or Brock Bowers?

Not suggesting he is that.  Just WRs in general have had some real divas.

[Philosophers]

This is the first year since the Jeremy Shockey selection that I feel like I know who the Giants will select.  I believe it will be JJ.  In fact with Vegas at 18:1, I am ready to out down $100 on it.

[spiderblue43]

The more I read about, the less I want that 6th pick. This JJ frenzy of speculation makes me believe there's a chance we could trade down with suitors for him.

We need foundation pieces almost everywhere and taking McCarthy at 6th (insulating the brass) doesn't escalate the roster enough. Much rather get a big haul from the Raiders or Vikings etc.

Taking Nabers or Odunze or Alt at 6 makes sense if we don't get a trade down.

[Ed Vette]

The more I read about, the less I want that 6th pick. This JJ frenzy of speculation makes me believe there's a chance we could trade down with suitors for him.

We need foundation pieces almost everywhere and taking McCarthy at 6th (insulating the brass) doesn't escalate the roster enough. Much rather get a big haul from the Raiders or Vikings etc.

Taking Nabers or Odunze or Alt at 6 makes sense if we don't get a trade down.

If the Giants can't fix that Offensive Line, McCarthy will also struggle. He faced less that 30% pressures at Michigan and when under pressure he became human as most QB's do.

The thing with taking Alt, is can he transition well to RT? Neal certainly has struggled. Some can and some can't. There's a lot of O-line talent in this Draft. The BPA would have to be be at a position of need at six. How do they pass on Alt if he's there? He's certainly not getting Drafted to play Guard. 

[Philosophers]

If the Giants can't fix that Offensive Line, McCarthy will also struggle. He faced less that 30% pressures at Michigan and when under pressure he became human as most QB's do.

The thing with taking Alt, is can he transition well to RT? Neal certainly has struggled. Some can and some can't. There's a lot of O-line talent in this Draft. The BPA would have to be be at a position of need at six. How do they pass on Alt if he's there? He's certainly not getting Drafted to play Guard. 

Or they cant trade back and iverdraft a RT at 6.  Another leas desirable scenario.

[Painter]

Gotta mean whatya say. After you actually place your bet, come back and tell us, Joseph. 
And by the way, not to diminish the wisdom of your Shockey guess in 2002, but wasn't he the odds-on favorite as the Giants pick- they even traded up a slot- in what was otherwise a notably weak Draft? Just teasin'     

Cheers!

[katkavage]

Unless they trade back I would be shocked at a tackle at 6. Free agency is what they are targeting I feel for offensive line help.

[spiderblue43]

Unless they trade back I would be shocked at a tackle at 6. Free agency is what they are targeting I feel for offensive line help.

I'd be surprised if they don't restock the line in FA. That is priority one. I mentioned Alt as an option; If they keep the 6th pick, I hope it's Nabers or Odunze, both big-time playmakers

[MightyGiants]

If the Giants can't fix that Offensive Line, McCarthy will also struggle. He faced less that 30% pressures at Michigan and when under pressure he became human as most QB's do.

The thing with taking Alt, is can he transition well to RT? Neal certainly has struggled. Some can and some can't. There's a lot of O-line talent in this Draft. The BPA would have to be be at a position of need at six. How do they pass on Alt if he's there? He's certainly not getting Drafted to play Guard. 

I think it's worth noting how the top prospects did under pressure compared to overall.  I will use QB rating as the measure and PFF for the source of the stats.

Name  QB rating clean  QB rating under pressure :: PFF offensive clean  PFF offensive grade under pressure

Nix  134.0  131.4  ::  92.2  91.5
Daniels  146.2  123.5  :: 94.0  82.2
JJ  118.1  111.8  ::  90.4  75.8
Caleb  130.1  81.3  ::  94.3  41.4
Maye  108.6    69.0  ::  92.3  65.2
Penix  119.9  68.0  ::  92.9  64.7

[Ed Vette]

I think it's worth noting how the top prospects did under pressure compared to overall.  I will use QB rating as the measure and PFF for the source of the stats.

Name  QB rating clean  QB rating under pressure :: PFF offensive clean  PFF offensive grade under pressure

Nix  134.0  131.4  ::  92.2  91.5
Daniels  146.2  123.5  :: 94.0  82.2
JJ  118.1  111.8  ::  90.4  75.8
Caleb  130.1  81.3  ::  94.3  41.4
Maye  108.6    69.0  ::  92.3  65.2
Penix  119.9  68.0  ::  92.9  64.7

Certainly doesn't look good for the ubiquitously anointed number one pick. (myself excluded)

What are the % of pressures by QB?