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Philosophers

#75
March 04, 2024, 02:40:13 PM
Evan Neal was pure trash often not even getting a hand on a defender as he blew past him.

With Eli's very slow drop back and penchant for fumbling when getting sacked, how would he have done in 2023 behind that OL and all those 85 sacks?

In 2018 as a grizzled veteran and getting sacked only 47 times he completed 66% with only 21 TDs and 11 INTs.

In 2013 Eli got sacked only 39 times, he completed only 57.5% of his passes with 18 TDs and 27 INTs.

My guess is after 85 sacks Eli would be saying his name is Otto Graham and he plays safety for the Chicago Bears.

I am not supporting DJ but frankly tired of reading views that suggest his poor 2023 play is mostly on him.  If true then let's blame Eli too.

Ed Vette

#76
March 04, 2024, 02:45:10 PM
Quote from: Rosehill Jimmy on March 04, 2024, 02:31:14 PMWhat was the tag $ for QBs following'22 season?  Is it possible that the cost might have hamstrung us and prevented signing Okereke and/or extension of Thomas or Dex? 
Dex's 23 Cap hit was 5.7 million and Thomas' was 9.2. Had nothing to do about finding 2023 cap space for them. 
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Ed Vette

#77
March 04, 2024, 02:54:47 PM
Quote from: Philosophers on March 04, 2024, 02:40:13 PMI am not supporting DJ but frankly tired of reading views that suggest his poor 2023 play is mostly on him.  If true then let's blame Eli too.

Eli had two SB MVP seasons and under Gilbride, there was no adjustment to the poor 2013 Oline. He adjusted the next season but it was McAdoo who changed the Offense, changed his lead foot on the drop backs and Eli had a nice completion %. Are you really comparing the career of Daniel Jones to Eli Manning? Btw, nobody is saying it's all Jones's fault. This all goes back to a statement Adam Schein made about Schoen giving a huge contract to Jones. I agreed with him and that's how this all started.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

Philosophers

#78
March 04, 2024, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 04, 2024, 02:54:47 PMEli had two SB MVP seasons and under Gilbride, there was no adjustment to the poor 2013 Oline. He adjusted the next season but it was McAdoo who changed the Offense, changed his lead foot on the drop backs and Eli had a nice completion %. Are you really comparing the career of Daniel Jones to Eli Manning? Btw, nobody is saying it's all Jones's fault. This all goes back to a statement Adam Schein made about Schoen giving a huge contract to Jones. I agreed with him and that's how this all started.

Ed - where did I compare their careers?  His 2 SB wins are irrelevant and a deflection to my point.  My point is Eli had 1/2 the pressure and produced those stats.  Imagine if he had double. 

Ed Vette

#79
March 04, 2024, 03:40:20 PM
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

MightyGiants

#80
March 04, 2024, 03:42:15 PM
SMART, TOUGH, DEPENDABLE

Ed Vette

#81
March 04, 2024, 03:46:53 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 04, 2024, 03:42:15 PMWhat were you saying about overstating opinions?
He nailed it.
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

files58

#82
March 04, 2024, 03:53:29 PM
Gettleman, the gift that keeps on giving.

Ed Vette

#83
March 04, 2024, 03:58:34 PM
Quote from: files58 on March 04, 2024, 03:53:29 PMGettleman, the gift that keeps on giving.
If it wasn't for the Senior Bowl, he might have picked Ryan Finley or Will Grier. So maybe we were lucky. Imagine carrying those two for 5 years and four more?
"There is a greater purpose...that purpose is team. Winning, losing, playing hard, playing well, doing it for each other, winning the right way, winning the right way is a very important thing to me... Championships are won by teams who love one another, who respect one another, and play for and support one another."
~ Coach Tom Coughlin

kingm56

#84
March 04, 2024, 04:30:19 PM Last Edit: March 04, 2024, 04:41:36 PM by kingm56
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 04, 2024, 03:42:15 PMWhat were you saying about overstating opinions?

His 'opinion' is now supported by 5-years of objective data.  Surely (don't call me...) at this point it's more than an opinion?  I'm actually surprised some fans are still willing to entertain this discussion; In short, Todd Nailed it.

Jclayton92

#85
March 04, 2024, 04:47:55 PM
Nobody answered the question the other day, If Jones was a 100% healthy which NFL team this offseason would sign him and why? So many teams need Qbs, but what they already have is objectively better.

MightyGiants

#86
March 04, 2024, 04:59:04 PM
Quote from: kingm56 on March 04, 2024, 04:30:19 PMHis 'opinion' is now supported by 5-years of objective data.  Surely (don't call me...) at this point it's more than an opinion?  I'm actually surprised some fans are still willing to entertain this discussion; In short, Todd Nailed it.


The data is objective, the interpretation of the data is subjective I really don't know what is it about Jones that causes people to take extreme negative positions that is not supported by the tape or data.
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DaveBrown74

#88
March 04, 2024, 06:09:11 PM
Quote from: MightyGiants on March 04, 2024, 01:57:29 PMI am pretty sure Schoen and Daboll do not agree with your assertion that "Daniel Jones is a middling QB who crumbles under pressure, is slow to process, and still can't make protection adjustments or check out of a Pass to Run by counting the Box."   If they did, they never would have signed DJ to the contract they did.   

What matters is what they think now, today, not one year ago. If they believe in Jones today, they will spread out that $47mm 2024 cap hit. If they don't, they won't. Simple as that.

MightyGiants

#89
March 04, 2024, 06:14:50 PM
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 04, 2024, 06:09:11 PMWhat matters is what they think now, today, not one year ago. If they believe in Jones today, they will spread out that $47mm 2024 cap hit. If they don't, they won't. Simple as that.

There are two major injuries that change the equation
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