Barkley to the Iggles

[TONKA56]

You do realize great teams dont pay running backs right? Paying him 40 million for 900 yards and being injured 4 games a year would have been dumb.

Unfortunately the Giants haven't been very good at drafting them either. Since Ahmad Bradshaw was taken in 2007, the Giants have drafted Andre Brown, Da'Rel Scott, David Wilson, Michael Cox, Andre Williams, Paul Perkins, Wayne Gallman, Saquon Barkley, Gary Brightwell, and recently Eric Gray.

When you draft like that you start seeing names like Peyton Hillis in your backfield. 

Outside of Barkley none of these guys have been anything better than mediocre with the exception of Wilson (incomplete game, prone to turnovers, eventually lost permanently due to medical) and Gallman (seemed to be in the coach's doghouse.)

It got so bad that the team brought in a mostly washed up Rashad Jennings in 2014 who managed to hang around for a few seasons.

The Giants go into the grocery store of the 2024 draft hungry. Never a great position. Now they add diminutive Devin Singletary to an existing backfield of underwhelming third down "specialists."

They had better get 1000% better at finding these "good running backs in the later rounds" that I keep hearing folks blather on about. 

[BluesCruz]

Great news
Never liked his abilities

Now we can develop an offense that can move the chains not just wait for one or two long runs per game

Onward Ho!!!!!

He also gets hurt a lot btw
I think this gives us a chance to pass philly

[brownelvis54]

[Jclayton92]

Unfortunately the Giants haven't been very good at drafting them either. Since Ahmad Bradshaw was taken in 2007, the Giants have drafted Andre Brown, Da'Rel Scott, David Wilson, Michael Cox, Andre Williams, Paul Perkins, Wayne Gallman, Saquon Barkley, Gary Brightwell, and recently Eric Gray.

When you draft like that you start seeing names like Peyton Hillis in your backfield. 

Outside of Barkley none of these guys have been anything better than mediocre with the exception of Wilson (incomplete game, prone to turnovers, eventually lost permanently due to medical) and Gallman (seemed to be in the coach's doghouse.)

It got so bad that the team brought in a mostly washed up Rashad Jennings in 2014 who managed to hang around for a few seasons.

The Giants go into the grocery store of the 2024 draft hungry. Never a great position. Now they add diminutive Devin Singletary to an existing backfield of underwhelming third down "specialists."

They had better get 1000% better at finding these "good running backs in the later rounds" that I keep hearing folks blather on about. 

Just look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

[PSUBeirut]

Just look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

[Jclayton92]

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

The Ravens leading rusher was Gus Edwards and he was undrafted.

The Lions leading rusher was David Montgomery, and he was the 73rd pick

KCs Rb 7th round Pick

Eagles Swift was a 2nd rd pick

Bill James Cook 63rd pick

Cowboys Pollard 128th overall pick

Texans Devin Singletary 74th pick

Packers Aaron Jones 5th rd pick

Dolphins Raheem Mostert undrafted

Rams Karen Williams 5th rd pick

Bucs Rachaad White 3rd rd pick

So what were you saying again? 1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

[EliWasrobbed]

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

BOOM. Mic drop.

[Doc16LT56]

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

You're crediting 2024 rosters for what was done in 2023. In 2023 Gibbs was a committee back for the Lions and didn't lead the team in rushing but you elevated him to a league premier RB. Derrick Henry didn't play for the Ravens last season so what does he have to do with their success in 2023 which was achieved with a committee of RBs, two of whom were undrafted and the other was a fourth round pick. Meanwhile Derrick Henry's team finished 28th in offense and missed the playoffs.

The reality is 3 of the 4 championship game teams last season did not have a premier RB.

[Doc16LT56]

1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

They didn't invest a first round pick in McCaffrey either. They did what smart teams do which is to get a talented RB at a bargain.

[PSUBeirut]

The Ravens leading rusher was Gus Edwards and he was undrafted.

The Lions leading rusher was David Montgomery, and he was the 73rd pick

KCs Rb 7th round Pick

Eagles Swift was a 2nd rd pick

Bill James Cook 63rd pick

Cowboys Pollard 128th overall pick

Texans Devin Singletary 74th pick

Packers Aaron Jones 5th rd pick

Dolphins Raheem Mostert undrafted

Rams Karen Williams 5th rd pick

Bucs Rachaad White 3rd rd pick

So what were you saying again? 1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

What was I saying?  It's pretty straightforward- you said look at the elite teams.  So I did.  And I saw 3 out of the 4 elite teams investing a lot of capital in the RB position- with 2 1st rounders (Gibbs, McCaffrey) and a newly acquired top RB originally drafted in the 2nd round (Henry).  And the other team could probably have you or me at RB and still get to the Super Bowl because they have Pat Mahomes. 

I actually completely agree with the sentiment that not a lot of capital should be spent at the RB position- I just found it interesting that you said to look at the elite teams for proof of this thinking and the opposite actually exists.

[killarich]

What was I saying?  It's pretty straightforward- you said look at the elite teams.  So I did.  And I saw 3 out of the 4 elite teams investing a lot of capital in the RB position- with 2 1st rounders (Gibbs, McCaffrey) and a newly acquired top RB originally drafted in the 2nd round (Henry).  And the other team could probably have you or me at RB and still get to the Super Bowl because they have Pat Mahomes. 

I actually completely agree with the sentiment that not a lot of capital should be spent at the RB position- I just found it interesting that you said to look at the elite teams for proof of this thinking and the opposite actually exists.

Because the elite teams don't have major holes , they can top off their teams with high level running backs

Not trying to be a di** but I see your name is "PSU" are you mainly a Giants fan or Barkley fan ?

[PSUBeirut]

Because the elite teams don't have major holes , they can top off their teams with high level running backs

Not trying to be a di** but I see your name is "PSU" are you mainly a Giants fan or Barkley fan ?

Huge Giants fan, Huge Penn State fan (graduated from there), Huge Barkley fan. 

And you're right about the elite teams being able to add top level RBs because of a lack of holes in other spots- another good and sensible counterpoint to JClayton above- and backed by recent history.

[JT39]

If you look at SB winners - they invested very little in the RB position.

We won twice with late round picks
NE never had a RB that was a first round pick by them.
KC has Pacheco and Damien Williams
TB got fournette for Pennies

RBs aren't that valuable. And Barkley really isn't that great. He is more name than substance now.

[uconnjack8]

If you look at SB winners - they invested very little in the RB position.

We won twice with late round picks
NE never had a RB that was a first round pick by them.
KC has Pacheco and Damien Williams
TB got fournette for Pennies

RBs aren't that valuable. And Barkley really isn't that great. He is more name than substance now.

I hate this game because every year is different.  KC hasn't heavily invested in WRs either, they Jettisoned the best WR in the game and then won 2 Super Bowls in a row.  NE didn't invest heavily in WRs for most of their Super Bowls either.  I guess WRs aren't that valuable. 

[TONKA56]

Just look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

OK I'm confused. What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not arguing that we should have retained Barkley, nor am I insisting that you need to spend premium draft capital on a running back.

But you need to draft players. I don't share this opinion that you can just stick any bum back there regardless of your line play or quarterback. That's a position where you need a guy that can play beyond the xs and os some of the time.